What speaker after Thiel 7.2?

The 7.2 isn't that good, the list I have is long, heck I even like the Wilson Watt Puppy 7 more than the 7.2.

ATC SCM100ASL---- Maybe the 7.2 has deeper bass but this is a very onesided contest. The 100's play louder, image better, have more timbrel accuracy....on and on. $15,000 with amplifiers its a no brainer. ATC provides a whole other world of playback performance. More accurate more dynamic.

Dynaudio Confidence Any, once again maybe give up the last little bit bass extension, but again play louder, more actual clarity and detail, images better than the Thiel and the ATC, but in my experience some of the worst sounding speakers image super well.

The least expensive speaker might be the ATC SCM-20-2 with a concept 4 subwoofer, even without the subwoofer the 20's better the thiels in the frequencies it covers in common with the 7.2.

Aerial 20T is another to consider.

When people own Thiel its like finding a speaker for a klipsch owner. The sound is so unique and its attributes accentauted that what is it that needs to be changed puts us in the certain direction to help you more specifically.

OK. So maybe I was a bit unhappy with my system. I had stopped enjoying it and did not care for the sound. I found the high frequency to be accentuated, the mids to be lacking, and the bass to be nothing special. This was frustrating, because a couple months ago everything sounded great.

A couple nights ago I repositioned the speakers. There was about an inch of toe-in that I removed. When I sat back down, the difference was night-and-day. I mean going from thinking about selling to sitting there in amazement. I mean jaw-dropping, lump-in-the throat, sit on the edge of the seat, hair standing on the back of the neck, honey I'm not coming to bed for a while. Everything, from top to bottom, came into focus. The mids came out, the highs sparkle with detail and clarity, and the bass has pin-point accuracy. The soundstage was huge and realistic. Music had so much energy and rhythm. Basically, I rediscovered how good things are. It is just so hard to believe that a little toe-in can create such unhappiness.

So now I really can't imagine selling them. The Avalon Eidolon Diamonds might be tempting, but they are 3x the price. Nonetheless, it would be interesting to listen to new speakers if I'm traveling next to a dealer. Keep the recommendations coming.

As far as ATC goes, it looks like the only distributor is Flat Earth Audio in the US. Does this mean that there is no place to demo these other than CT? Also, I've heard Dynaudio, and I prefer the Thiel.

Thanks,
Rob

Cinematic_systems-Most dealers that post here DISCLOSE they are dealers.
You sell the ATC speaker line,dont you???
Also,by your own admission,you dispise Thiel as you couldnt sell them,while other dealers were pushing them out the door.
Did you lose (taken away) the Thiel line due to poor sales?
Be honest now!

Cinematic-systems:
How does the atc 150 asl pro image compared to the Dynaudio?

Whatever David;

Whether I was a dealer or not my advice would not change. 75% of my advice I don't carry.

Everyone, I'm an ATC dealer.

The dealer I was employed by dropped the line because the speakers were uncompetitive and taking up space (after I left). By the way the same thing happened to Sonus Faber...if you want to see me get negative now there's a speaker line I can get negative about. To save time, I have been less diplomatic but I haven't told you anything I haven't told to the people at Thiel. So I'm no coward about this, it is what it is. And until they made the 2.4 there was nothing anyone could do to change it. Finally a good speaker from Thiel!, if they keep going I might become a dealer. Then I won't be able to talk about them on Audiogon.

This whole conversation brings this analogy to mind, I am a Tampa Bay Buccaneer fan since the drafted Hugh Green from the Pitt Panthers, so I have seen some hard times being a "fan". But I'm going to stick up for them and hope they do better next year or in the case of the 80's next decade. When you are a professional you are not afforded the luxuries of being a "fan". David you are a fan of Thiel and i'm picking on your team. you're the one not be reasonable or rational, you are not being objective. The speakers we discussed are bad speakers for the money and are terribly misrepresented by the press. Now this is how I look at it, put yourself in this position. One of your best friend wants a new stereo system and he's heard really great things about Bose and has read all the positive reviews and a couple of friends have chimed in to say how happy they are, what are you going to do? what would any of you do? He has all the back up you you claim to have with thiel and Bose gets pushed out the door at a staggering magnitude...How do you approach this? He's owned Bose 901-s for 15 years...where do you start.

I haven't heard one person say the 2.3 is as good as the 2.4, so if the difference is so clear cut then how can the 2.3 be world class and the 2.4 not be the end all be all?

As for the 7.2 its unique at best but if you like them more power to ya!. To think you could own a $14,000 speaker and if its not setup perfectly its dumpable? Sounds like a keeper to me.

BTW I used the 7.2 for 6 months to sell my personal designs, which I am dealer for. Imagine the shock of potential clients when my $6500 active speakers actually made a violin sound like a violin and not an expensive egg slicer like the 7.2. It was a great back drop for all the speakers I sold.

What better vehicle than to use a supposed to be and compare it to a really is. Sells the the really is everytime. Its a shame someone bought them because they were making me look good. Now I got ATC SCM-150ASL's at home and I'm back to being an amateur.

"You couldnt sell them,while other dealers were pushing them out the door."

I prefer nobody bought them, I don't sell anyone anything, I give you the information and you make the decision. Like I mentioned some time ago to bad I can't do a demo for you. All this talk is pointless, a 20 minute demo we'd see eye to eye we still may disagree but we'd understand each other much better.