Preamp for Aesthetix / Atma-sphere


Hi

I have the Aesthetix Io Eclipse with volume and dual power supplies, Atma-sphere MA-1 monoblocs (140 watts) and Audiokinesis Dream Maker (93 db sensitive) speakers. These are great components. My question is about system synergy, how to make them play together.

I have been running the Io direct to my amps since I first bought the Mk2 version back in 2004. At the time, I had a Krell FPB600, and in that context, it was a blessing, and a great step up from the Krell KAV 250p preamp. I'll never forget my first impression with the Io - it was like going from the wooded hills up into the mountains. There was no going back.

With volume, the Io functions as a preamp. It looks like a preamp. Someone here on A-gon said going direct is best - which I interpreted as: it IS a preamp! So I thought, OK I have a combined phono and preamp - problem fixed. But it wasn't.

From recent testing I have finally become convinced that the Io does benefit from a separarate preamp. Even if clarity and detail is better going direct from the Io to the amps, the punch and "here-ness" of the music is clearly better with a preamp in the chain, at least in my system.

Trouble is, which preamp? I am testing a small solid state Musical Innovation preamp, which helps with the punch but veils the music. An optimal solution might be the Aesthetix Callisto, preferably with dual power - but I don't have the space, and I already have a lot of tubes and tube heat. I have space for one or possibly two boxes.

From what I have heard so far, a solid state might do the job well (in my tube-rich context), however it should not impart any s-state artifacts or reduce the resolution from the Io Eclipse.

The ideal would be to test a few tube and s-state preamps, and then decide. However, this is difficult where I live, so advice is welcome.

My question relates to my own setup of course, but is relevant for everyone with a top phono stage on the one hand and amps on the other. What is best in the middle?

From recent testing I have learned that problems that I thought were related to the speakers, the phono pre, the pickup and so on, were in fact related to the preamp issue. For example, the Dream Makers straight from the Io may sound a bit lazy and washed out in the bass, very clear in mid and treble but not fully embodied. Plugging in the solid state pre, the situation becomes dramatically different, now the speakers are driving, propulsive. Very enjoyable, but some detail is lost and some transistor things added that I don't want.

So I am looking for a solution with most of the plusses, and not much of the minuses. The preamp must be fully balanced with XLR in / out.
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Ditto Albert's suggestion. Albert is one of the few people I know who've been able to critically audition both the Io by itself and the Io through a Callisto. As an alternative, I wouldn't discount using a used Atma-Sphere MP-1 as the linestage preamp for your system.

I think you risk playing major havoc to the very things you value most to introduce a SS linestage into things.
Thanks! It's like I suspected. In the ideal world I could have tested both the Callisto and the MP-1. Would have been interesting. Well, anyway, I will have to start saving.
I agree with Albert and Rushton, try a high quality tube line stage. I believe that this is the path to the realism and natural sound you're seeking. The two models suggested should be excellent in your current system.
Best of luck.
Charles,
With the Atma-sphere MP-1 you would get an extra phono stage too. Has anyone ever compared it to the IO.
I have not heard the Atma-Sphere MP-1 in my own system in many years.

My suggestion for the Aesthetix was based on what O_holter had already chosen. Safe bet that Aesthetix preamp and phono are a great match up, I know from ten years in my own system.

As Charles1dad and I both pointed out, it's about the tubes. Aesthetix and Atma-Sphere fill that order but the only way to be absolutely sure is to own both. That's difficult at best and why I suggested used Aesthetix (or Atma-Sphere) here at Audiogon.

Purchase at a fair price and take care, you can live and listen long term and see if the magic is there. If it fails you can put it back up here and get most or all your money back.