When to power off a tube amp?

Tomcy6:
"Many recent vintage tube preamps have a slow start cycle built in. It slowly increases the voltage going to the tubes over a 20 to 45 second interval when you turn the preamp on."

I think you'll find that's because they used tube recifiers, not solid state ones they use today.

Cheers George

Thanks for the input guys, greatly appreciate it. I am getting mixed responses as to if I should turn it off when unattended, etc so I will just await more answers I guess.

My Lyr has a 20 second mute relay switch, does that mean it cannot explode or arch when I turn it on cold? Thanks guys.

Most tube gear sounds pretty decent within 10-15 minutes of being turned on so there is no good reason to leave the gear on all of the time--waste of energy and waste of the limited life of tubes. While there is a possible safety issue with leaving tube gear on unattended, the chances of a fire is extremely low, and such risk would apply to solid state gear as well.

Tubes are NOT like light bulbs, which come on instantaneously, so they are NOT as prone to thermal shock from being turned on. The tube may be subject to some damage from "cathode stripping" if the high voltage rail instantly powers up and the cathode is not yet heated enough to be emitting electrons. Better designs utilize a soft start circuit to prevent such problems, or if the amp uses a tube rectifier, the amp will naturally ramp up gradually. Overall, with most tube gear, there is more wear on the tubes from being left on when not in use than from the stress of being turned off and on more frequently.

What I never do is turn off an amp or preamp and then turn it back on without a fairly long interval in between (at least 10 minutes). I have seen tubes, particularly the rectifier, flash when this is done. While I have not noticed any permanent damage, this cannot be a good thing.

Highroller,

I don't know about your Lyr, but, a time delay mute is designed to prevent any output from the amp until it is warmed up and stable. Some tube gear will put out pretty nasty noise as it is powered up so a mute is designed to protect the speakers and your sensibilities while this is going on. The circuit does not necessarily also provide turn-on protection (soft start) for the amp itself; that is a separate feature. But, it is a good sign that the manufacturer is adding such features because soft start protection is even easier to implement.

George, what you say sounds reasonable, but I am not EE savvy. I can barely tell the difference between the front and back of the amp. :( Further, any mods to the amp's circuits will adversely affect its resale value.

My linestage and amp have a 12 volt trigger connection. The trigger starts the amp within 10 seconds or so after the linestage is turned on. I suspect this is NOT the same delay circuit you described. Instead, I think delay start-up prevents a linestage turn-on thump from causing a power surge through the amp into the speakers.

Otherwise, I think you and I are on the same page about turn-on/turn-off concerns. I'm not sure if 4 or 5 hours is a good number for my rig, but it's what I have been doing. Thank goodness I never had a Fourth of July problem with my gear -- at least not yet. Hopefully Ralph or Gary will weigh in.

Cheers,

Bruce