ARC or other Pre?


Hi all,
I need a balanced pre to go with my ARC V140 mono blocks. An ARC pre is the obvious choice but it seems that the REF5 is one of the few options worth having, the others sounding worse than it in the range (obviously). What else is out there for less cash? I have £3k uk pounds max. Can spend less! Doesn't have to be valves.

Front end is VPI super scoutmaster and speakers are Martin Logan Clarity.

Cheers, T
timfld
OK- you asked... IMO/IME ARC has had a 'house sound' for a long time. To me it has always been slightly dry, conservative, good definition, but not lively. So far in terms of preamps I have heard they have all been some variant of that house sound.

I gotta believe that transistors and other passives are simply better than what was out there in the early days.

Not exactly sure how to interpret this statement, but if we are talking about passive components, I think you are right- they have improved. Transistors these days is another matter- the manufacturers are less interested in making linear transistors and there are a lot of counterfeits that have no-where near the performance they are supposed to have. This is one reason why class D is showing up more and more (not to mention they are a lot cheaper to build).
Thanks Ralph. ... Actually, my question or point was focused more to Abrew's prior post about whether there's been earth shaking changes taking place in the technology. I thought you'd be in the best position to comment since you are a designer and manufacturer.

As I said, although not a tech, my surmise is that the quality of passives "may" (??) have improved over what the SOTA was 30 or 40 years ago. I would like to believe that other SS components like transistors and ICs likewise would have improved. But given your last post, maybe not. Dunno.

I agree that my last several ARC upgrades, while an improvement over the immediately prior piece, do share a house sound of sorts. But having said that, IMO, my current rig has come a loooong way over what I started with, ... say 10 years ago.

Just my opinion.

P.S. -- One of these days I hope to have the opportunity to listen to some of your gear. I'm sure it would be an "ear opener" (pun intended).
Well, I see that you are clearly speaking with the Tube Boys, but you did say, "Doesn't have to be Valves"

Spread Spectrum Technologies Ambrosia.... It will certainly stand in the league of the pre's you guys have been discussing. Price point fits and I believe it has also been produced in 240/50
Technology always only improves.

Still there are good products and lesser ones always as well.

ARC not "lively"? Not sure how digest that one. Even my modest sp16 is quite lively I would say. Many recordings simply are not however.