Opinions Wanted on changing Turntable


I have one of the first generation of the Scout turntable. It's at least 10 years old. I am using it with a ZU/Denon moving coil cartridge and a Denon AU 320 SUT. My turntable also has the first generation of the JMW arm. I am thinking of buying a brand new Scout 2 fitted with and expertly set up with a Dynavector DV20XH High output moving coil.

I am definitely set on the choice of turntable and cartridge and my reason for keeping in the Scout line is because I have a very expensive Mapleshade platform that the Scout just fits on. I don't want the hassle of buying and waiting for another platform.

So, with all this being said, do you think it is an upgrade or lateral move? On the plus side, I will have a new turntable, properly set up with a cartridge I know mates well with the JMW arm and the sound which is great for my taste in music. I also like the idea of the aluminum platter and I already have the stainless clamp.

On the minus side, it's about 3,300.00 and will I be getting 3,300.00 in better sound that I have now? So, purchase or not?
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Kiko, if you use a separate suspension tuned to the mass of the TT, that should give you audible benefits. The limiting factor is the motor and in general its best for the platter and arm assembly to be suspended independent of the motor so that any motor vibration is filtered by the suspension.
Or to make it light and stiff and sit the TT on a dedicated sandbox to dissipate all external vibrations.

For example, Rega makes the lightest possible chassis with the stiffest possible brace (depending on the model) forming the most rigid possible beam to link the platter bearing and arm mounting.

The turntable itself is a "measuring machine" that measures vibration.

The vibration you described above doesn't actually exist until the platter starts rotating. And that rotational energy comes from the motor. Therefore a great motor is essential, one that can be quiet and steady, reducing noise and vibrations to a minimum.

IMHO, the 2 most important factors in reducing unwanted vibrations to a minimum?
A great tonearm and a great motor with its dedicated power supply unit.

There is no such thing as an arm that won’t vibrate itself, that won’t have its own resonances. When the arm moves across the record the bearings will have some friction which will put a load on the stylus. This will give a slightly less than perfect transcription of the vibration in the record.

If the bearings themselves move, then it won’t be picking up all the vibration that is in the groove. Rega tonearms may not be the pretiest of more functional tonearms on the market. No VTA adjustment mechanism here, but darn good bearings and tightened spindle fit.

A good dedicated TT-PSU anti-vibration circuit will vastly improve power supply regulation, reduce motor noise, and increase stability for all motors.

My point is that a suspended turntable may eliminate unwanted external vibration (same a sandbox) but it does not solve the problem of internal vibrations caused by the motor.

And we are not even getting into belt-driven vs direct driven turntables!

As you can see, I'm a big fan of Rega for its simplicity, affordability, and functionality. But I am no fool to consider Rega engineering to be the best. NOT AT ALL!

Heck, my next TT will be a suspended one, not because of its suspension capabilities, but because of its unique damping technology which, to my ears, is capable of producing the most accurate "sound" available from vinyl at a decent and affordable price; the Townshend Rock 7!

Suspended vs unsuspended? Light vs heavy? BD vs DD? Just a matter of a series of engineering compromises to come up with the best possible product.

Happy listening Davide256!
100% agreed Davide256,
Its definitely best for the platter and arm assembly to be suspended independednt of the motor to reduce unwanted vibrations.
Kiko65 Ignorance huh. I have had two Regas. I consider them mid fi at best. Overpriced also. I do not have to resort to name calling sir. You have shown your _________
This is why I love my Basis sitting on Gingko cloud 12 custom. Made a big difference. I want a Vector arm eventually. The separate motor and isolation just works for the cost. Love it.