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Best interconnects & speaker cable? I don't get it

I don't know if there is a question here but I'm posting this to see if there is something I'm missing or overlooking in this observation. To the point, I've read many posts arguing the benefits of one or more conductors over others and I almost understand some discussions regarding, at least, comparisons of wire gauge for speakers. Maybe it relates to my less than well developed ability to discern subtlities in sound quality but I really can't hear much, if any, difference between interconnects or speaker cables.

As an example, I was recently experimenting with an amplifier selector (Niles DPS-1) which can accommodate a max of 14AWG speaker wire. In doing so I had to disconnect my existing cables which are "high end" 12 gauge per leg bi-wires. In making this comment I realize that just because my old wires are big and expensive does not necessarily mean they are the best match for my system or even any good. But...even though I think I am able to hear some small difference between them, to say that I think one is better than the other would be a stretch.

It seems to me that there are factors that would logically lend to the issue of quality, the primary of which would be conductor resistance and/or impedance. However, for transmission of line level signals, I can't see impedance as a significant factor.

All that being said, I believe that some listeners with acutely honed abilities can actually hear these differences and, in a way, I am somewhat glad that I don't; It makes wire choices much easier and way less expensive.

My current system consists of Shanling S-100 CD player, CALSigma 2 DAC, Rogue Audio Sphinx and Martin Logan Odyssey speakers with various interconnect and speaker wires.
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tbg
5,263 posts
 
Audiolabyrinth, please don't think I'm unhappy with where I am. I don't want to get off the merry-go-round. I am still thrilled with realism and I have met some great people. I must also say that I don't understand people who have no passions. Year ago I had three passions-audio, racing catamarans, and seeing the world. I don't live near the ocean anymore and I've seen most of the world other than Antarctica.

Last night I discovered that some amps are enormously improved being on Star Sound Tech. Sistrum Apprentic platforms. Others are not.
tubegroover
2,320 posts
 
Audiolabyrinth you didn't offend me in the least, neither did Jmcgrogan, there is no need for any apology whatsoever.

It seems the thread started off on the issue of Broadstone not being able to discern differences in cabling. The thread turned in a different direction as often happens when audiophiles discuss their experiences. My last comment was directed as much towards Broadstone's previous post not to you per se. I totally agree with you, I was ALSO where he is years back, didn't believe cables made a difference at all until that epiphany moment when it became quite clear that I was mistaken and greatly so. You are so right, at that point there is no turning back. Interestingly enough that moment arrived with Tara Lab ic's that a friend brought over for me to "hear". I reluctantly conceded and my journey into cabling and more serious audio began. Fine tuning an audio system to acquire a desired result is the REAL education. There are no shortcuts to the learning process. What I have learned is that it is best to leave preconceived ideas at the door and always trust the finest tool you have at your disposal, your ears, it accelerates the learning curve.

tbg
5,263 posts
 
Tubegroover, lots of rational people on this post. Unfortunately, trusting your ears is trial and error. There really is no predicting what you might hear. I had an experience yesterday of this. I had a new isolation platform and tried it under two amps. It helped one slightly and the other enormously. I think maybe this is a matter of isolation of the ac transformer in the two amps. One is better isolated I would hypothesize and thus the effective rack did little, But the second amp far surpasses the first. Fortunately I own the second one, not the first.

How long am I going to continue this trial and error? I've owned 29 different speakers. My present speakers weigh 198 pounds each and I'm in a second floor listening room. I doubt if I will ever replace them until I have to downsize greatly. Amplifiers that weigh close to 100 pounds also are unlikely to be replaced either. Enjoy the ride while you can guys!
tubegroover
2,320 posts
 
How long am I going to continue this trial and error?

I would only say this Tbg, as long as you feel necessary. You really made my point "trusting your ears is trial and error", and work. How much time one is willing to expend in the "trial and error" process to get satisfaction. Satisfaction itself is often times temporary, depends on the individual. You see, this is what makes us audiophiles instead of just being satisfied with the status quo, the remaining 99% that aren't inclined or should I say "wired" the way we are. And in that 1%, the audiophiles, some are wired tighter than others. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with anything more than some are more compulsive than others. After all, the industry depends on that, but it also propels progress in my estimation.
zd542
5,339 posts
 
"03-12-14: Tbg
Audiolabyrinth, please don't think I'm unhappy with where I am. I don't want to get off the merry-go-round. I am still thrilled with realism and I have met some great people. I must also say that I don't understand people who have no passions. Year ago I had three passions-audio, racing catamarans, and seeing the world. I don't live near the ocean anymore and I've seen most of the world other than Antarctica.

Last night I discovered that some amps are enormously improved being on Star Sound Tech. Sistrum Apprentic platforms. Others are not."

You really need to get to Antarctica. If you've never heard naturally cryoed cables before, you are in for a real treat.
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