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Has education expanded your listening tastes?

This point recently came up in another thread: a member was of the opinion (if I am paraphrasing them correctly) that critical thinking plays little role in what our tastes in music might be. We like what we like and that's it. So that begs the question for me, how many of us feel that our reaction to music is primarily rooted in the emotional centers of the brain and that rational analysis of musical structure and language doesn't potentially expand our range of musical enjoyment? I ask because I am not a professional musician, but I did take a few college level music history classes, learn to play guitar in my forties (now sixty,) learn to read music on a rudimentary level of competence, study a little music theory, and enjoy reading historical biographies about composers and musicians. I can honestly say that the in the last fifteen years or so, I have greatly expanded what types of music I enjoy and that I can appreciate music I might not "love" in the emotional sense that used to dictate what I listen to. Take Berg, Schoenberg, and Webern for example. Their music doesn't sweep you away with the emotional majesty of earlier composers, but I find their intellectual rigor and organization to be fascinating and very enjoyable. Same with studying the history of American roots music, I learned a lot about our cultural history and enjoy listening to old blues and country music now. How do other's feel about this emotion vs. learning to appreciate thing?
photon46
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rok2id
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Photon46:

Nice clip. I learned what a Canon is, and I thank you for that. I think we do not have any disagreement about all this. It could be just that, in previous posts, on a different thread, on this subject, we were talking pass each other because our words mean different things to us. Not so much you, because you are new to this 'discussion'. :)

I do not disagree with anything you have said. Did I enjoy the piece by Bach more after reading the narrative and watching the animation? I am not sure 'enjoy more' would be the words I would use.

After looking up the meaning of the word 'canon' as used in music, I would say I have gained new knowledge about music, and that is good. I now have a new word in my musical vocabulary. Something to watch for in the linear notes.

The wiki gave a few examples of canons. Popular songs sung by children. Never would have known to call them canons. Getting back to the terminology thing.

I often listen to music and say to myself, "I wonder what they call that?" Referring to a certain section of a score, or a style of playing.

But, you are correct. I will never again listen to Bach quite the same way. Sort of like, I now listen for Bass Intonation in Jazz recordings.

Cheers
learsfool
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Hi Rok - my comments were not actually directed at you, but such opinions have indeed been either stated or strongly implied from time to time in threads like these, and are even expressed by college music students, as Photon says. I agree with him that any sort of discussion of aesthetics has almost entirely disappeared from our culture, and that is not a good thing, IMO.

I would also say that your experience with Photon's link is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about. I do believe you will enjoy (not just understand) any canon much more the next time you hear one now that you know how one works. There is so much more to music than just the emotional content and/or the emotional response it provokes (or doesn't). These other aspects of it will only add to the emotional aspect of your enjoyment, because they do involve your mind more while listening. You are more of a jazz fan - I would submit that looking up a bit of info about basic jazz forms will greatly enhance your listening experience, in much the same way Photon's canon link has done. Frogman could probably provide such a link, I would guess.
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Years ago, I recall a NPR program called "The Art of Fugue" which went into great detail explaining that particular work. My appreciation of the music of Bach went way up from that.

Some music is just fun though. Not much to think or learn about. Music can work so many different ways. Just one of the interesting things about it.

SW thanks for those kind words.
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Rok2id, glad you found the link entertaining, I thought it was rather witty. I know what you mean about the difficulty of conveying the exact meaning of our thoughts in these forums, it can be difficult.

If anyone has any interest in further exploration of Bach's work and his times, a very entertaining and non-technical book is the easily read biography of Bach and Frederick the Great "Evening in the Palace of Reason." It explores the collision of Baroque and Enlightenment world views and how a challenge from Frederick goaded Bach into writing "A Musical Offering." http://www.amazon.com/Evening-Palace-Reason-Frederick-Enlightenment/dp/0007156618/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1393257326&sr=1-1&keywords=evening+in+the+palace+of+reason
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Photon46:

I put the book in my CART. Thanks for the tip. My bookcase currently is filled with books about music and war / military, so I know I will like it.

One of my favorite books "The German Way of War", has a section on 'The Orgins of Frederician Warfare'. Very interesting. Brings home the point that Geography is Destiny!

Cheers
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