Nuforce

Plato, I apologize for my comment above about feeling few reviewers are worth listening to. I know you've been around Agon for years but I did not know that you are a reviewer and that comment was certainly not directed toward you.

I actually posted my previous response around midnight last night and I think agon finally turned around and posted it about 9 am this morning. Well after your previous post. So on the surface it may seem that my post was a follow up to your post. It was not.

I expressed my feeling about reveiwers in general but nevertheless, my statement was callous and over-generalized and certainly unkind to mention in the presence of a reviewer or perhaps in the presence of anyone for that matter.

I appreciate your not responding in kind and your keen insight into the NuForce amps. Please accept my apology.

-John
timestamped 9:28 pm.

Hi John,

I did not feel that your comments were directed at me and didn't take any offense. I see reviewers get slammed here fairly regularly in this forum, so I don't usually take it personally. I appreciate your concern and thank you for considering my feelings.

Like you, I believe the NuForce technology has something special to offer and I think audiophiles should be aware of it. One thing I can say for sure, is that to my ears, my systems have never sounded better since I began using the NuForce amplifiers as my reference.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

Frank :)

Thanks, Frank. And I couldn't agree with you more regarding your thoughts on the NuForce amps.

Along that same line of thinking, I can't help but wonder what the home theater industry will think of these amps once they get wind of them.

Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving also.

-John
timestamp 10:33 pst

I got a pair of 8's last week, and raised the question with Nuforce about the power difference between the 8's and 9's, and well as any differences in sound. I had felt that there must be some compromises in making switchable inputs, and the extra capacitance in the 9's. I was told if I liked the 8's, to keep them, as many prefer them to the 9's. The 8's are a little faster than the 9's, although obviously both are spectacular in this regard. I would also say that the bass in the 8's is excellent. I mention this only because people are referring to the 9's as an "upgrade", but this is not neccesarily the case. The 8's have seen a few changes also, and I wonder how many people go from an older version of the 8 to a new version of the 9 and attribute this improvement to the higher power, when it may be the updates done to both amps?
I personally cannot see needing more power, as I can crank this LOUD and never have it fall apart due to clipping. IMO, that is one of the strengths of these amps, they remain unflustered at high outputs.

Dbarger,

As long as you have adequate power with the Ref 8s and you're happy with the bass extension, there is probably no reason to upgrade to the Ref 9s. The pair of Ref 8s I have are the 8.02, I believe, and I like them very much. My feeling is that the latest Reference 9s are a little better in the ways that I mentioned above. That said, the 8.02's that I have do not contain all the most recent upgrades of my Ref 9s. So it is very possible and likely that the most recent version of the Ref 8 does compete well with the Ref 9, in the midrange and treble (provided that NuForce is upgrading the latest Ref 8 in the same ways).

In my view, bass freaks and those with relatively inefficient speakers (under about 88dB/watt) may be better served by the Ref 9s (this is also dependent on the size of one's room and how loud one likes his music). Since NuForce has extended the bandwidth of the Ref 9s into the treble spectrum, to my ears they sound as fast and detailed as any pair of Ref 8s that I've heard. I believe the bandwidth specs that NuForce currently lists is outdated.

Realize too, that the power supply of the Ref 8s is limited by the smaller size of its chassis, i.e., it's likely that a higher capacity power supply wouldn't physically fit inside the compact dimensions of the Ref 8.

So right now, the relevant performance-related questions are completely dependent upon the specific version of each amplifier you happen to be comparing and which options (if any) they contain.