what is the REAL deal with DK

>>you definitely get the specs that you paid for, and this means that you are getting an almost perfect reproduction of the input signal<<

This examplifies how little you know. There are many speakers that measure perfect 20-20K and sound like sh**. Specs and statistics are for losers and uninformed/uneducated audiophiles. Know what I mean Vern?

I still haven't trashed the product, notwithstanding your histronics. In fact, from what I see, I've said here and elsewhere that it's a good value new, and a superb one used. My reservations regard an ill conceived and absurd shilling campaign, of which you seem to be one of the principle proponents for many months now. DK is not the right answer for everything - honest, just get over it.
Oh, and by the way, if you find yourself in Manhattan sometime, send an email and come by the office - best view in the city without question and other perks that'll boggle your mind. Well, maybe not your mind.

Snofun, my post was actually meant for Charlie101. In regards to specs, they definetly stand for competent engineering. In this industry there are people who will convince you that if you rub your interconnect a certain way that your system will sound better. So this brings me to my question Charlie, how do you determine that the amps on your list crush the DK? It is all based on whim, and this is completely subjective.

Finally, in regards to uninformed/uneducated audiophiles you are the best example of that. A flat frequency response definitely does not determine the quality or performance of a speaker since even the cheapest 50 cent drivers can be equalized to be flat. However, in order for an amplifier to put out a perfect square wave this requires it to act like an almost perfect voltage source, with an incredible fast rise time, and signal tracking accuracy. This does translate into better sound.

I challange you to find a cheap amplifier with a good squarewave response. You will see that all cheap and low quality amps have a terrible square wave. This is the one spec that really does tell you a lot about the quality of a component.

charlie101, I would bet a lot of people feel sorry for you. Have you ever had anything to say that was remotely positive on any audio subject on this website? I think everybody know's your opinion on this amp, there really is no need for you to post anymore on my thread. I would like to hear from people that have real world EXPERIENCE with the dk, and again if anyone has heard my amp(cayin ta-30) AND the dk, please give your opinions!

Audioari1, I'm still waiting for you to address my questions to you in terms of you trashing Jadis integrateds.

I understand and can appreciate your fondness for the DK product. While not in the camp that is anti - DK, I will also say that whatever measurement is thrown out as being relevant, it's the way a component reproduced MUSIC, and not things such as square waves, that means the most to me.

I don't listen to square waves, so I am less concerned about them then perhaps other people. If I'm choosing between two products, one that does a terrific job on a square wave then another, but the latter sounds better when I put music through it, I'll buy the second 1000 times out of 1000. Whatever people think of me for that is fine.

Now, back to Jadis. You disparaged the products in comparison with the DK. That's fine, if you have actually heard the Jadis amplifiers you listed, we just chalk it up to my audio mantra, "that's why they make vanilla AND chocolate." However, please tell me the actual Jadis pieces you have encountered, and what their issues were. Please understand that there are members on this site who do not sit back while products they respect, as you do with the DK, are pooh poohed. I listen to a lot of audio products, and have my own ranking for them. Most of the time, I understand personal preferences, but statements like the DK walking over the Jadis products you listed I think need to be fleshed out.

I owned an Orchestra Reference for 6 years, and currently own a DA30 and DA60. In the period that I have purchased the two I own now, I could have bought a DK, and while again, I like the DK, you see where I put my money. Briefly, in my own biased opinion, the list of products that play music better than Jadis is an INCREDIBLY small one. I admire the DK, and Larry Staples and I are friends (what a good man), but I'm sorry, I have to tell you I think the DK is not on that list. It's not trashing the product by any means, as I don't really encounter products that do beat the Jadis.