Thanks to all your feedback and sorry for the late answering
@Philjolet
Why do you need the ss Pass?
-> The Pass amps are quieter than any other analog amp I listened to. For me this is essential when trying to achieve satisfying listening joy. Tube amps together with (IMO required) speakers above 95 dB/watt for true bass control hiss too much for my taste. You can´t really focus on details when hiss is between the signal.
Sorry to stray off topic but I wish I could hear a pair of Offrandes as they are supposed to be Jean Marie's favorite speaker he builds and my Trentes were superb so I can only imagine...
-> The Offrandes IMO are perfect for listening to Jazz and not too complex classic music in rather small rooms at rather neighbor suited listening levels.
@Pehare
contact Amherst Audio. he knows what it takes to make Trentes sing.
-> Thanks, will try that.
@Ngjockey
Nice system. You might try Van der Hul cables.
-> Thanks, I will explain my latest cable tryouts further down.
@Stehno
My guess is it's not the brutal honesty of the music or even the recording at issue here. Most likely it's the brutal honesty of inferior or no AC line conditioning and ics and scs that induce time-smear. Either of these shortcomings will induce an ear fatiguing presentation that makes one run for cover. Everybody has dirty AC to one bad degree or another and everybody incorporating a cd player (and dac) is subject to bi-directional digital noise that will make its way back into the AC, even back to the service panel and then contaminate your other components. The only line conditioners I can recommend are the Foundation Research passive, dedicated, and bi-directional (for digital noise) line conditioners which I've been using for 5 years and recently took on that product line when I became a dealer. If you do not have proper line conditioning and start to shop for it, be aware that some of the most popular line conditioners actually induce sonic harm rather than purify it. Proper is the keyword here. Time-smear in cabling (ics and scs) is very common regardless of price. But cables that induce little or no time smear are out there and they make a world of difference. Several that come to mind include Audio Tekne, BPT's, Audience, and Speltz. And none of these will cost an arm and a leg. Assuming these are two areas that need addressing and resolved you will hear a pristine musical presentation that will catipult your system to levels you did not know were atainable. If these shortcomings do exist and you choose not to address them it really doesn't matter what else you do.
-> Thanks, I guess you are absolutely right in all of your points, I will explain my latest cable and
AC tryouts further down.
@Rost
You could try upgrading to the 250.5, much better in the mids than the older model and kinder to less than stellar recordings
@Frankg
I would upgrade to one of the .5 amps and keep the X1. I've noticed that some dealers are offering a generous trade in on the older amps.
-> Thanks, did you here them in A/B comparison ?
@Simon74
As Stehno says sorting the mains supply and power cords is crucial.
Only my thoughts but I never new how good the Pass was till I paired it with the Supratek.
-> Thanks, I will explain my latest cable tryouts further down.
I find the e.a.r. stuff a bit lean
-> Less lean than X1 but also less details/transpareny than X1.
I found the snappers - a new pair right enough, less than refined with a solid state pre-amp.
-> Absolutely right, in a hight transpareny system your they sound rather robust.
Never did get along with the matching i/c's - the network boxes or whatever had me switching between the 10 settings like a paranoid loon and they never seemed to give neutral or natural results which was a major anti-climax after the magic their speaker cables brought to the quation.
-> Right, I leave everything on 0, only when listening to recordings with bass blurr I do
sometimes switch to leaner settings.
@Yr44
How about the room itself? Is your room acoustically 'glaring' and 'reflective'? Maybe experimenting with room treatment first?
-> Thanks, your´re right. In my case this is quasi the second step, to achieve stable performance even when listening at higher volumes.
@Undertow
Tube preamp, simplest attempt period, borrow something to audition local and go from there, if its not gonna help then at least you know. Cary, VTL, Thor probably good choice, or even the Mcintosh should be fairly organic and less intrusive sound to add to the mix. good luck.
-> Thanks, guess you can find optimal timbral solution by doing this. Unfortunately I did not find a tube-preamp in the Pass X1 price class, that adds tubes-typical mids-richness and weight without adding some goo and sacrificing dead silence and resolution.
@Ozzy
I think you should upgrade to the .5 version. I own the 350.5. Best Amp I have heard.
There is not a hint of harshness, very mellow sound,almost tubelike.
-> Thanks, did you here the X350 vs. X350.5 in A/B comparison ?
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Ok, here´s the update: I tried out..
1. Replaced ics (Lindemann to Pass X1):
HMS Sestetto TopMatch balanced -> Nordost Valhalla RCA
2. add-on replaced ics (Pass X1 to Pass X250):
HMS Sestetto TopMatch balance -> Nordost SPM Balanced
3. add-on replaced scs (Pass X250 to Offrandes):
HMS Fortissimo TopMatch Bi-Wire -> Nordost SPM Bi-Wire
4. alternatively replaced scs (Pass X250 to Offrandes):
Nordost SPM Bi-Wire -> Nordost Valhalla Bi-Wire
5. add-on integrated Nordost Thor AC filtering vs. no filtering vs. HMS Energia Filtering
- all plugged in
- just digital plugged in
- digital and preamp plugged in
Results:
1. I´d say 70% improvement concerning harshness, glare almost gone, liquid sound, satisfying
2. I´d say some further improvement, but not dramatic
3. softer sound, easier to the ears, but less impact and dynamics
4. even softer, but even less impact and dynamics, ideal though for Classic
5. Improvement in any setup over no filtering or HMS filtering. Could not decide yet if I
liked it better to leave the X250 without filtering at all ot plugged into the Thor. Dynamics
seem to be at least a very little calmed down.
So far I still have to try out the Nordost Valhalla Balanced, because the Lindemann Balanced output is more dynamic and higher resolution my dealer just had the Valhalla RCA, so will still have to find out. The Valhalla between source and preamp is definetly matching.
-> Did anybody experience comparable results for less money ?
Possibly I can keep the HMS Sestetto between Pass X1/X250 due to their
rather sonic neutral character and Pass´ less sensible behaviour between Pas devices.
The Thor AC filtering I will definetly give a try.
Regards
