Poll - Active vs. Passive preamp


Thought it might be interesting to see who's using a passive vs. active linestage. List your total system value and/or components as well.

Have been enjoying a Supratek for about 8 months now. It is indeed a killer unit. Today, for kicks, I put the Prometheus TVC back in the system - it is pretty astounding how good it sounds at 1/10th the cost. I was very impressed (again). I'll withhold further comments.

I'd previously concluded that almost all really good higher-end systems use an active linestage. I wonder how true that statement is.
paulfolbrecht
Paul, doesn't your supratek use a passive resistor volume control? When you turn that knob to control the volume isn't that a variable resistor? Why is that killer and what you call a passive is not?

Amfibius, your problem with dynamics had nothing to do with the fact that the preamp was passive. If the volume is all the way up and it isn't loud enough you didn't have enough overall gain for your combination of source-speakers-room. Adding an active preamp with gain solved that problem.

Here is the bottom line. Most don't understand that ALL volume controls are passive. They may be in a box with active gain stages so we call it an active preamp, but the thing that controls the volume (resistor voltage divider, TVC) is ALWAYS passive. Designing it as a unit and using an active stage to buffer the input and/or output of the control removes variables for the uninformed audiophile and they often get better results with an active stage. Not because active is superior but because they didn’t properly implement the passive control. Most actives are plug_and_play because the standard is high input and low output impedance. This is easy to achieve with active buffer circuits in the preamp but adding an active stage must also degrade the performance in other ways. Passives can’t always follow these rules so what comes before and after is critical to their performance.

As stated above careful attention must be paid to impedances and cabling to maximize the performance of the passive. This is exactly what the designer of an active stage does for you, but if you are knowledgeable about what is going on and you don’t need the extra gain going passive is always superior.
Herman,

That's certainly one view. But an active is providing impedance matching and buffering while a "passive" is not. Of course the VC itself is "passive"; I have a rather difficult time imagining anything else, don't you?

The "excess gain" argument has been stated ad naseaum. These days, nobody needs the gain of an active linestage - almost nobody certainly - yet they sound better in some systems, even when there would be plenty of gain without another gain stage.
Herman has given some feedback to think about.But think Ozzy make a reasonable argument for it being combination specific set-up that's needed. for the amount of "purity" in passive mode with good unit has't' been worth the trade off in lack of bass and dynamics.And this was born out with a same unit ($1250 Pass designed Adcom in my case).Not sure why the knock on resistor based passives since I though this is means use in a hand trimmed Vishay resistors in Placette which many regard well.Haven't experience with TVC.Others like Sonic Euphoria may use different means to same passive end but they all seem to lack drive of a good active unit.For my (cheap) money I have been thinking of looking for units which have active outputs and volume controls eve if cheap op amps in CD players and some phono's.My problem is it restricts number of units with ability that attenuate signal and would prefer those that don't thus I use an active pre.But if anybody can recommend a passive units which will work with a Aesthetix Rhea or Plinus M14 (two phono's I'd like to get) I am all ears.Just don't want to have to restrict list of cables and amp to use them with.
Chazz
I've built at least 15 passives of various kinds since giving up on a CAT SL-1 Signature with its truly horrible volume control, resistors on a rotary switch but not "true ladder", and recently built a TVC based on Stevens & Billington TX-102 transformers, a la Bent Audio. I thought I'd never improve on that, and maybe I still haven't, but I'm writing this to sing the praises of Vishay resistors, TX2352's from Texas Components, looking more "naked" than the Vishays I'd seen before. To save money, I did a shunt type, which I'd always rejected, but I realized that at fairly high attenuation levels, even -14 db, say, the "size" of the passive, Input to Output plus Output to Ground, changes little, and I certainly heard nothing bad. What I did hear was really good, and whether it beats the TVC in my system will take me a long time to decide, if indeed there's any clear verdict. Expensive with Vishays, but still miles below the cost of the S & B transformers. Anyone want details? Email me if you like.