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Jadis amplifiers: rolled off treble?

Hi folks (and Jadis aficionados out there), tell me the truth please: do Jadis amplifiers have rolled off treble? Each time I'm listening to one I have this impression. The sound might be glorious (like all Jadis) but... doesn't it sound darker than in real life? Because of this presumed rolled off treble some CD's sound better and overall music sound more pleasant, more like... Jadis.

Chris
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mrtennis
3,295 posts
 
gentlemen:

unless you have taken a spectral analyzer to a concert hall, you have no idea whether high frequencies are attenuated. depending upon your location, high frequencies will be attenuated.

an amplifier which does have a roll off, say atstarting at 200 hz, sounds more natural, relative to a rear location in a concert hall, than a so-called "flat" frequency response.

i would prefer to be able to enjoy the music than suffer through poor recordings.

the issue of "reality" will never be resolved. this subject frequently generates disagreements.

what is more important is finding soime equilibrium between resolution and comfort. each one of us has an optimal level of complexity and intensity that is preferred. if we can can
come close to this ideal, selling equipment and concern about "roll off" will be superfluous.
microstrip
180 posts
 
Mrtennis,
Good point. May I suggest reading the online TAS review of the LAT 1000 speaker http://www.avguide.com/products/product-3830/ ? The LAT 1000 is also considered by many people a rolled-of speaker.
trelja
3,226 posts
 
You're certainly dealing with two incredible products there, Chris.

Others can talk about the potential interaction with the SoundLabs speakers if they are what you are pairing them with. The only thing I can really add is that cabling and the room (most importnatly) are definitely going to figure into things, and a bit of tube rolling may prove enough to change your mind.

I'm not sure what tubes you ran in the JA200, but the DA88S uses KT88, which I find dark/recessed in the mids compared to EL34 tubes. In my experience, Jadis amps sound their best, by far, with EL34 tubes, though you then have to be far more careful in terms of getting the driver tubes right in order to produce the proper low frequency response, which the Jadis are more than capable of.

Peter, did you hear the JA500 with and without the Da Hong modifications? Removing it from my DA60 made all of the difference in the world in my situation. Others have corresponded with me over the years to echo that sentiment. In fact, it was the on the recommendation of a friend that I had my amp set back to "stock", and I can't thank him enough for the performance that wrought.
mrtennis
3,295 posts
 
oops ! i made an error in my last post. i meant to say that in the concert hall, there may be a roll off beginning at 2000 hz, rather than 200 hz. the distance from the listener to the stage and the presence of hundreds or perhaps more than one thousand bodies in front of a an audience member can account for a reduction in energy in the treble region.
dazzdax OP
599 posts
 
Trelya, I own Soundlabs but I don't own Jadis amplifier. The Jadis JA 200 is one of the two Jadis amplifiers I have auditioned, the other is the Jadis DA 88 Signature. I'm contemplating to mate a Jadis amp with the Soundlabs but I haven't made a decision yet. What I would like to have is an amp that is more forward sounding with tube like midrange (bloom), smooth and silky (and perhaps also a touch rolled off) treble and excellent resolution of detail. I myself prefer solid state design.

Chris
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