Holographic imaging


Hi folks, is the so called holographic imaging with many tube amplifiers an artifact? With solid state one only hears "holographic imaging" if that is in the recording, but with many tube amps you can hear it all the time. So solid state fails in this department? Or are those tube amps not telling the truth?

Chris
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Dave,

I'm not necessarily advocating Carver holography, although I think the processing it does makes sense, it works as advertised, take it or leave it, and the benefits can far exceed the disadvantages. In fact, I no longer use the circuit because it is not required with my current set up.

The only speakers I've owned prior to the Ohm series 3's that I never found any value with using the Carver holography feature were the Triangle Titus monitors, which are so fast and detailed that the sound achieved a highly transparent, holographic effect on its own. Not true to the same extent with any other speaker I've owned including Dynaudio, Magnepan, and B&W or even original 80's vintage Ohm Walsh 2's.

Nothing that I've heard does holography as defined below (from wikipedia) as well as the Ohm series 3. You can move around the room and the perspective of the sonic image will change with you accordingly with little or no degradation.

Carver holography cannot do that. You have to listen from exactly the right spot otherwise the phase aspects you speak of come into play in a negative manner, not positive.

Let's face it that the whole concept of listening to music via a stereo system is in fact artificial and each system sounds different. All that matters is the end result and does it sound good to the listener.

I like the term "holographic" in describing audio though in the general sense that it captures multiple factors of good sound in a single term that describes what is needed to reproduce the complex live listening experience which is inherently 3 dimensional out of two boxes sitting in your room that inherently are not.

If a system does things well, there can be a holographic aspect to it that is a cumulative result of many other factors that we commonly discuss regarding good audio.

The end goal for everyone is this hobby I think is to make the reproduction of music in our rooms as real as possible. How can two little (or big) boxes capture what you hear live in 3-dimensions without the concept of "holography" coming into play?

A lot of things have to be going right for it to happen, and yes, there will always still be some things that do not go as "right" as others.

Below is the definition of holography from wikipedia. From this definition, how can holography be categorized as a bad thing when it comes to audio?

"Holography (from the Greek, όλος-hòlòs whole + γραφή-grafè writing, drawing) is a technique that allows the light scattered from an object to be recorded and later reconstructed so that it appears as if the object is in the same position relative to the recording medium as it was when recorded. The image changes as the position and orientation of the viewing system changes in exactly the same way as if the object were still present, thus making the recorded image (hologram) appear three dimensional. Holograms can also be made using other types of waves."
Actually, after reading the wiki definition of holography, it is probably a misnomer to call what the Carver circuit does "holography" because it only works when listening from on spot. You can't move around and get different perspectives.

based on this definition, I'd probably now asset that the only way you can get coherent holographic perspectives from a variety of listening locations, as is required by the definition, is with omni, pseudo-omni, or other very wide dispersion speaker designs that might be out there. Professional reviews of omni speaker designs always allude to this as one of the most unique aspects of these designs.

With their application of the highly phase coherent Walsh driver design, I suspect the Ohms and German Physiks are inherently capable of doing it best.
Mapman, omnis don't give holography but totally obscure where the music is coming from. There is no realism at all. If you make your definition of holography that you cannot find the location of the speakers, omnis are your choice. But certainly not the choice of those wanting realism of the recording venue or the sense of being there. You are right about Carver, however.