ICE Amps for classical music?

Not all BEl Cantos may work equally well with the tube pre-amp. A bad match here might account for what was heard.

Also, I believe power supply implementations are different in different BC models and could make a difference.

I can say for certain that the BC ref1000m's in my system do not match Weseixas' description.

Never heard the Threshold so cannot compare to that. I'm sure it is a fine amp in of itself as well from what I do know.

Different amps do sound different, even under optimal circumstances, so not all will take to any in particular the same even if everything is set up to integrate perfectly.

Guidocorona is correct. No ICE amp will sound very good in the first 100 hours, with optimum playing delayed for 100s of hours.

Besides the need for a NOS DAC, a good ICE amp will never sound clear unless the whispiest insulated SC is used.

Class D is not deficient. Our understanding of class D is deficient.

The choice for an NOS or upsampling D/A Converter is purely subjective and a personal choice contrary to a previous post which is erroneous and disingenuous as well.

Some folks prefer NOS while others prefer upsampling; it's vanilla or chocolate. Neither is right or wrong.

The amplifier with regards to your choice of D/A Converters is, of course, irrelevant.

Also incorrect is the "whispiest insulated speaker cable" advice. Choose the speaker cable that suits your ears and system. It's that simple.

Hello Gents ,

1. The Bel canto was not mine and is well broken in , it has been in this system for more than a yr and replaced a Krell
KSA 250 .

2. It was being driven by an ARC - SS not tubes ..

3. The difference was not maybe, let's try again , it was night and day , the Bel Canto had a very hard sound by comparison to the threshold. The opinions i had voiced previously were shared by all including the owner of the bel canto .

4. I would believe those that do not hear this hardness may have speakers that are not very revealing in the upper registers and if so , then i can see very good mating with the Bel canto.

5. The bass was hands down better on the Threshold , the Bel Canto bass was muddy and never had the extension.

6. As i had said previously , the Bel canto was more extended on the top and was more open , but we all felt it did so at the expense of sounding very grainy and hard by comparison. The more one listened , the less you were inclined to go back....

Again very unusual everyone in the room came to the same conclusion , 3 off the 5, own class-d , i can state without reservation "we" never expected this result , well not such an unanimous decision .

The model Bel Canto? 500M

Regards,

Audiofefeil, Upsampling, perhaps. Oversampling NO. I have proved that here many times to various people to their satisfaction. Class D is nothing like any tube or solid state amp;

Every cable that has gone through here have announced themselves according to their insulation regardless of price. They produce a haze of white noise on a fine Class D system.

These are not a matter of choice for class D owners. They are a matter of realistic sound versus poor hifi, as the Weseixas test with Sony exemplified.

I stand by my words, and your countering does no good to those who choose class D amps.

You are a dealer, your rant exposing motive.