Most beneficial change .


I am seeking opinions about what to change first , my speakers or my amplification .

I have a Primaluna Prologue 2 integrated feeding Reference 3a Decapo i speakers from a Granite Audio 657 CDP using the tubed side most of the time . I have rolled the input tubes on the integrated to warm things up some which helped nicely . The system is in a small 10'X11' room on the diagonal with some room treatments . The room is carpeted and my chair is overstuffed leather with a matching foot stool .

I get good tone , extension , details , resolution and PRaT but it is kind of boring ! It all sounds pretty good but I don't want to tap my toes ,bob my head or play the air guitar ! I can listen for long periods of time with ease but just don't want to . Easy to fall asleep ! I guess that I would like to increase the dynamics and musicality . I prefer tubes .

Suggestions ?

Thank you for your input .
saki70
Such harmonics and overtones are captured by the microphones. The job of the amp is reproduce the captured signal as accurate as possible. It's NOT the job of the amp to reproduce additional harmonics. However, many amps, especially tube amps, add additional 2nd and 3rd harmonics, which is pleasant to the ears for many. *hint hint*

While I understand that some amps are more natural sounding than others, I don't think that's because such amp is capable of reproducing the harmonics more naturally. Most all amps have flat freq response, and are able to reproduce captured harmonics correctly. I think it's the added harmonics that the amps generate that influence the perception that one amp has more harmonics and therefore more natural sounding than others.
Interesting two different camps talking about , I assume , the same results . One of tubes and no or very low feedback and the other SS with much more feedback .

I don't believe that any circuitry can opperate without a signature , whether it is added harmonics , tone differences etc. So I am thinking that , as stated , it is what one perceives as a desirable addition .

So harmonic overtones are beneficial and add to the realism of the reproduction . But 2nd and 3rd harmonics are artificially introduced by the amplifier and may or may not be beneficial . Might there be other terms used to describe 2nd & 3rd harmonics , such as warmth ?

Are there ways to determine the existance and amount of these different types of harmonics through printed specifications and/or types of circuitry , or is it a matter of user perception ?

Thank you .
Jylee, what is your evidence that tube amps "add" additional 2nd and 3rd harmonics?

I have heard that tube amps emphasize even order harmonics and that solid state amps emphasize odd order harmonics. I've not heard that either embellishes the music by creating them where they are absent from a recording. It may be true, I just have not heard it put that way and I'm curious as to the source.

Where is Ralph when you need him?
One of the few useful and credible measurements published on the web is Stereophile. Here is a random example of a tube amplifier and a solid state amplifier.

tube amp

Take a look at figure 10. It's a graph of response generated by the amp when the input signal is 50Hz pure sine wave. The vertical axis is normalized to the amplitude of fundamental signal at 50Hz. The 2nd harmonics of 100Hz is seen at -40dB of fundamental, and the 3rd harmonics of 150Hz at -60dB of fundamental.

solid state amp

The response plot of the same signal is shown for a random solid state amp in figure 7. There is almost no 2nd harmonics, and 3rd harmonics is at -90dB of the fundamental.

The relative levels of those harmonics may be low enough, but they are not present in the input signal of pure sine wave, and they are the by product. I've picked random samples, but in general tube amps tend to generate more harmonics, and solid state amps tend to generate less. There are exceptions of course.