How far out to place motor from platter


I just got a 2nd motor with new upgrade from silk thread to square belt for my Acoustic Signiture final tool and its wonderful. More soundstage and with purer tonality and less noise. My question is how far from platter should motor be for optimum performance. Any other AS owners please ring in here. Mike
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Manitunc, OP asked about distance. Good point to say that both motors should be the equidistant from the spindle. Along those lines, and altho the OP did not ask, the best way to use two motors would be to line them up on opposite sides of the platter. In other words, 180 degrees apart. That way, the belt or strings are "pulling" on the platter in opposite directions, and those side forces should cancel, assuming tension is equal on both strings. That's the only good thing about using more than one motor, IMO.
>>> For minimum belt creep, the platter and motor pulley should be as close as possible, so that the circumference of the platter is in contact with as much of the belt as is possible.

This overlooks the other (and more significant) half of the belt contact equation. It's true that placing a smaller circle closer to a larger circle increases the arc segment between the two tangent points around the larger circle, but it correspondengly reduces the arc segment between the two tangent points around the smaller circle. IOW, moving the motor closer INCREASES the belt contact patch around the platter (as Lewm said) but it also DECREASES the belt contact patch around the motor capstan.

As the contact patch around the smaller capstan will always be shorter than the contact patch around the larger platter, the capstan is where belt slippage is most likely to occur. Therefore, your setup shoudl be optimized to lengthen the belt patch around the motor capstan. This is accomplished by moving the motor and platter away from each other. How far? Far enough to optimize the benefit without incurring detriments from belt sag or elasticity.

Lew's argument to place the motors opposing each other to counterbalance tension on the platter bearing has merit, but it's not the only placement consideration. Motor orientation also matters. Assuming the motors are identical and running in synch, orienting them so that they point the same way would amplify any cogging effects (times 2, with 2 motors). Not a good thing.

One advantage of multiple motors is that, if synched and properly oriented, each can mitigate the cogging effects of the other. To do this you must orient them precisely out of phase with each other. How to do that? Find out how many poles the motors have. Lets say it's 12. Divide 360 by 12 (30), then divide that by 2 (15). Orient the motors such that one is twisted 15 degrees clockwise (or counter-clockwise) compared to the other.

Agree with Manitunc that proper belt tension is critical, particularly with a non-elastic belt material. That's what matters with regard to distance. It's not obvious to me, however, that the two motors need be equidistant. Aside from visual aesthetics and questions of available space, what's the benefit? One could even argue that differing distances could reduce the probability of simultaneous belt slippage events, since the contact patches of each setup would be different.

Agree with Lew that one good motor is a better solution than any greater number of flawed motors. The best you can hope for with multiple motors is that their flaws will somewhat cancel each other (as with the anti-cogging orientation described above). Better not to have the flaws in the first place. A non-cogging motor will always have less cogging than two cogging motors, however perfectly arranged. One motor is quieter than two. Etc...
Manitunc, assuming stretching the belt does not change the angular velocity of the motor it will not change the platter "speed" as this depends on the motor's rotation and the ratio of the platters diameter to the pulley's diameter. Changing the length of the belt by stretching does not affect the "speed". Changing the tension can affect the sound though. I have a Nott. Hyperspace whose motor shaft bearing had become "hogged out". Increasing the belt tension by moving the motor further from the platter made the sound unlistenable. Moving it in as close as possible and still maintain rotation made things bearable. Needless to say, a new motor improved things a lot.
John,
Stretching the belt necessarily make it thinner, and therefore, the radius of each pulley changes as the ratio is determined by the radius to the center of the belt at each end. And thats assuming that the increased drag from the side loading of the motor and platter bearing doesnt also slow the platter down. I know on my Transrotor Fat Bob, I can hear it slow down as I pull the motor farther away. There is a point of perfect tension, and it is different on each table/motor/platter/belt