The eternal quandary


Is it the sound or is it the music?

A recent experience. Started to listen to a baroque trio on the main system, harpsichord, bass viol and violin. The harpsichord seems to be positioned to the left of centre, the bass viol to the right, and the violin probably somewhere in the middle. The sound of the two continuo instruments is "larger"/more diffuse than I would expect in "real life". The acoustic is slightly "swimmy". Worse still, impossible to tell if the violinist is standing in front of the continuo instruments, on the same plane as them, or even slightly behind them (in a kind of concave semi-circle). Then that tiny little doubt creeps in: although you want to blame the recording, the acoustic, the recording engineer, the digital recorder, could it be the system that's not quite doing the trick? Could its soundstaging abilities be somehow deficient? After about six shortish tracks I have stop.

Later, I finish listening to the CD on the secondary system. No, the timbral textures are not as fleshed out, no, the sheer presence of the instruments is not as intense, and no, the soundstaging is certainly no better, but I listen through to the end, in main part I think because my expectations are not as high now, and I'm listening to what's being played, not how it's being reproduced.

So are we listening to the sound or the music? Is this why car radios, table-top radios, even secondary systems have a certain, curious advantage over the "big rig"? By having so many expectations for the big rig, are we setting it up for failure? Is that one reason why lots of enthusiasts are on an unending upgrade spiral? Does this experience strike a chord (no pun intended) with anyone else out there?
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As if all this weren't enough, we must also consider SPEAKER positioning & room acoustics... Move one speaker & the violinist moves front stage; move it again and he is behind the cello!
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Greg old friend, now finally you have made me understand why I had that odd compulsion to buy those huge Sound-Labs in spite of knowing that they would clutter up most of my listening space. I just can't move them. Ain't got the strength no more. So those fiddlers have to sit tight and that's it, because me, I'm not going to budge from my sweet spot once I've sat down.
Speaker positioning seems to make the problem better, if it won't go away completely. However I always defer to simply listening to the music over the audiophile obsessiveness. Point well taken. I am just as moved in my car by the music as I am with my $30,000+ system. Of course I like it better, but I have to actually work at stopping the audiophilia to concentrate and ENJOY!!!!
BTW, the "offending" disc that occasioned this thread, was:

Jean-Fery REBEL, Violin Sonatas

Andrew Manze, violin; Richard Egarr, harpsichord, Jaap ter Linden, viola da gamba

Harmonia Mundi 907221.

Andrew Manze, IMHO, is an excellent baroque violinist...

I wish more CD booklets would include photos of the performers during the recording (this one doesn't, like so many others...)
I re-read your initial post. I do not have this particular recording, but I have a lot of HM's. Most of them are very good, but I would never call them rolled off or dull, in fact on some I found there was a tendency to close mic the instruments, which if not balanced properly could sound a bit bright, but not fatiguing so. Listen to some of Chiu's Prokofiev - the clarity of these recordings will not enhance the sound from a poorly balanced CD system (I really like these performances and recordings however).

Your complaint/observation leads me to think that the problem you experienced in your main system was due to a less than optimum mix by the recording engineer of the centered violin. Assuming each instrument was close mic'd and the engineer gave a little more emphasis to the violin because that would give a good central focus, then its acoustic envelope would overlap unnaturally that of the other two and become confusing to the critical listener with an audio set up with good resolution capabilities.

You probably didn't experience this with your secondary system precisely because it didn't have these resolution qualities. Back to 'Bose in the Bathroom' listening.

It's OK to judge the recording as difficient, after all that was NOT created by you so you're not to blame! :-)