What are we really trying to replicate?


Two questions:

(1) At what point does the level of an audio system exceed the level at which it was recorded and/or transferred to media? Does it make sense to spend thousands of dollars to reproduce a record that is mass produced?

(2) When trying to replicate a concert, can speakers actually sound too good? I doubt most concerts have a equal level of sound quality compared to the systems represented on this forum, so is there a case to simply build a system that plays extrememly loud? How much unamplified live music (think symphony) is really available?
mceljo
Assuming that an album is recorded well, I would expect the CD or vinyl on a quality audiophile system to sound better than an actual concert. If one were to close their eyes and somehow ignore everything but the music, most wouldn't be impressed I would suspect.

Things that are performed live without amplification, like the symphony, will always be impossible to duplicate.
I'm not trying to "replicate" anything. I strive to get my system to sound as natural and engaging to me as I possibly can, with the music I prefer to listen to in the room I listen in. Whether that replicates anything in particular, or whether or not it pleases anyone else, is entirely beside the point for me.

I completely agree that there is no absolute sound. Your preferences may be entirely different than mine and neither of us sets any bars for anyone else but ourselves.

The experience of listening at home is entirely different from listening to a live event at some venue. Those two experiences will absolutely never be the same, and there is your only "absolute". Most events that are amplified for the masses will not even hold a candle to the intimacy available on great system. Scaling a symphony orchestra just ain't gonna happen though...at least I haven't heard that yet. Better, or worse?!?...I don't know - it varies with the material and the moment. It has as much to do with me and my state of mind, expectations, etc, as it does with the presentation. I've been to many disappointing concerts as far as their acoustic presentation, and I most certainly would not want to strive for anything like that. I can become intimately engaged with music an moderate levels, as opposed to concert levels..I don't think that is necessarily a given either way. Again, no absolutes and potential for tremendous enjoyment at both levels. How can either sound "too good"? What happens then? Premature ejaculation? Sorry, I don't get it? OK, I do think I understand what you're talking about; I do think my system has the potential to sound much more intimate than most concert experiences, but that is part of the nature of high-end audio that draws me to pursuing it. When I listen to Joss Stone she sounds like she is right there in front of me...I wish she was. At a concert she may indeed be right there in front of me, but the piss poor amplification and or venue could entirely destroy that "intimacy". Jazdoc's standard of "suspension of disbelief" is certainly a pretty good goal to strive for.
Lets look at it from a way of not trying to reproduce the same loudness in your home.A live amplified concert that has good sound quality from sitting in the audience,has a lot different sound than it would close up.If you got within a few feet from their speakers,most would say that it sounds bad.In this case,distance does work wonders.If we put those amps and speakers in our home,we would have some fairly bad sound.That gear is made to satisfy the needs of a large area,and distance.If the recording engineer does a good job at capturing that recording,we want the best we can buy for our home system to give us a nice illusion of the original.Don't forget that we are a lot closer to our speakers,and hear imperfections a lot easier.We hope our home system does sound better than the recording we are listening to.There are always above average recordings that we would want to hear reproduced as good as possible.I don't think any system could sound too good for our home.If our gear isn't the best that could be had by us,what would we miss out on when we listen to above average,or superb recordings?A lot of us look for better mastered versions of the recordings we like.How can we have a system that sounds too good,as long as it sounds great to us?There are always new,or remastered recordings that give us the need to have the best gear we could obtain.I would think everyone that's here system is ready for that next great recording they run across.The major problem a lot of times is to find a great recording of the original performance done by the band or orchestra(musicians)of our choice.Loudness doesn't satisfy the listener if it sounds bad.
I can't speak for anyone but myself,so keep that in mind.I listen mainly to rock music and frankly,I don't want my system to sound like a live concert.Have you ever been to a rock concert?If you have then you know what I mean!!I go to concerts to hear the improvisation that most bands do during their live shows.I have only attended a few concerts that I would consider sounding as good as my system.Pink Floyd's "Animals" tour at the Olympia Halle in Munich,Germany stands out as one of those few.Opinions vary so you are surely free to disagree with mine.
I agree with your basic point. Few things irritate me more than attending a "live concert" and instead hearing the PA system, which is certainly inferior to my home system in all aspects but ultimate sound pressure levels.
Acoustic instruments are the result of centuries of evolution and refinement, and as previously noted, are impossible to reproduce. I applaud the "unplugged" movement in popular music. Unfortunately, however, PA amplification has intruded into many traditional acoustic music presentations, like opera and folk music. This robs the audience, especially the young audience, of discovering the difference.