Why do planars have poor bass extension?


I've been wondering about this. Is it because the excursion is limited because of the tension of the diaphragm & low BL limits its excursion?

On a related note, what techniques do companies like Magnepan use to get more bass out of their low-frequency drivers? Do they put bigger magnets in the grid than would be feasible for the midrange? Heavier diaphragms?

Finally if anyone knows a good reference for learning about the TS parameters of planars and if/how such calculations differ from dynamic speakers, that would be awesome!

Thanks all!
sideshowgabe
I've read accounts that make sense to me that often the support structure is the weak link in the bass of planars. The frames tend to not be very massive and there is little inertial foundation for the drivers to work against. Adding mass and/or rigidity to the frame helps. At least that's what I've read that seems to make sense.

Also, many do not realize that most planars like Magnepan forexample require lots of power (though not necessarily current) to be driven to the max. A 40-80 watt SS amp might sound OK, but does not hit the mark. 200W+ SS or a larger tube amp is usually what is needed to wake things up.
Not all planers have poor bass. My Apogees have plenty of bass, but it is different bass than a cone speaker. It is tight and defined and tuneful and goes deep, but it just doesn't have that hit you in the chest slam of a good cone woofer.
Why do planars have poor bass extension?
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Sideshowgabe
maybe because you've never heard a good planar setup?? I'm with Ptmconsulting on this matter - my bass is fast, tight, tuneful & goes as low as the room will support (about 40Hz) but it does not sound like a cone woofer boom-boom-boom bass.
2nd reason you could be disillusioned with planar bass is that planar bass sounds different from cone boom-boom-boom bass which is the only thing that 99% of the people know. So, when you hear planar bass, you ask 'where's the bass?' It's all in there just that it does not call attention to itself like most cone woofers do.
I'm in agreement with PTM and Bombay, except that I would not describe good cone bass necessarily as "boom-boom-boom". I realized after owning planars for a while that "cone" bass can sound similar to planars when done right, for example with good monitors set up and driven properly.

However it may be easier in general to coax better dynamics out along with good bass articulation ala planars using many common amplifiers out there with cone bass done well than with planars, if that is something that matters to you. I find it does, especially for more rock/pop types of music and large scale orchestral works and big band music, for example. I settled on the OHMs largely for their planar or electrostatic like sonic attributes combined with cone bass type dynamics (albeit with a different, more omni-like spatial presentation).
except that I would not describe good cone bass necessarily as "boom-boom-boom"
Mapman, I suppose your key phrase here is "good cone bass"! How many such speaker systems exist today? Most of the speakers in the market are indeed boom-boom-boom. In relative terms only a few do bass well/correctly & many of them are from yester years....

However it may be easier in general to coax better dynamics out along with good bass articulation ala planars using many common amplifiers out there with cone bass done well than with planars...
you mean it's easier to match an amplifier to a cone driver speaker than a planar speaker?