Listener fatigue: what does it really mean?


Okay, so I used to think that listener fatigue meant that your ears just kind of got tired from listening to speakers that were overly bright. I don't have a good understanding of the make up of an ear, but I believe there are muscles in an ear that, I guess, expand and contract while we listen to music and I figured that's what it meant to have listener fatigue. Now, I'm thinking that listener fatigue is maybe more than your ears just getting tired but actually, your whole body getting tired and feeling drained. I experienced this time and time again listening to my paradigm studio's. They are somewhat bright and provide quite a bit of detail in my oppinion, so I'm wondering if, since there was such a great amount of detail coming through, that it was physically draining because I'm sitting there analyzing everything that's coming through the speakers. I would wake up and first thing in the morning, grab a cup of coffee and start listening to music (my daily routine) and 20-30 minutes later start nodding off and I couldn't figure out what was going on. I've been sitting here this morning listening to my new vandersteen's for two hours and can't get enough. I feel like I could listen all day and that I'm almost energized from listening vs. drained.

Soooo, what are your oppinions about what listener fatigue is and why it's caused?
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I get fatigued with my music when I try to trim out my collection. I am not listening to it to enjoy it but to eliminate items. It must be done but I do not enjoy it hence fatigue. It lasts a while after so I find I do not listen intently for at least a few weeks after.
Charles1dad, to your point the problem we are having with semantics is that distortion often masquerades as dynamics. This is so common with audiophiles that I no longer use the term- I use impact instead, when referring to actual changes in dynamic contrast.

An excellent example in recorded from is side one band 2 of the Soria series (RCA) Verdi Requiem. Here you can experience the dynamic range from triple pianissimo (ppp) to triple forte (fff), IOW from very quiet to very loud, such that to play it properly will bring most systems to their knees in just a few seconds.

Now, with respect to the comment of lower powered amps on high efficiency speakers by Learsfool:

SETs have a particular distortion character that is exactly what I am talking about (although other systems can do similar things). In an SET, to really hear what the amp does you need to have a high efficiency speaker. This is because the distortion of the amp vanishes at lower power levels. When there is distortion it obscures detail. This is why SETs always get good marks for low level detail.

At power levels up to about 25%, the main distortion is the 2nd harmonic, followed in much lower amounts by the 3rd and 4th harmonics. These harmonics contribute to the lush character that SETs are known for. I have often thought that SETs have become more popular with digital products, as they seem to add harmonic structure that digital often seems to lack.

At power levels above 25-30%, the higher ordered harmonics come into play. SETs will typically have about 10% THD at full power. The higher orders contain in addition to more even-ordered harmonics, also the odd orders, the 5th, 7th and 9th (used by the brain to sort out how loud the sound is). Their presence is masked to our conscious hearing by the presence of even ordered harmonics, for example the 4th, which is louder than the 5th, masks the presence of the 5th.

However music is processed by the limbic system in the brain, and the presence of the odd ordered harmonics is not missed even though consciously we are not aware of distortion. Music has a lot of transients (dynamics) which demand greater power out of the amp. If you are playing the amp on a moderate to high efficiency speaker, depending on the power capabilities of the amp and the efficiency of the speaker, the power levels above that 25-30% level will only be showing up on the transients.

What this means is that the artificial loudness cues (odd ordered harmonics) will only show up on the transients. **This is why** SETs are often cited for having dynamics that seem far above what one should expect for such a low powered amp. We have all seen those comments in plenty of reviews.

The bottom line is what we are seeing in this example is distortion masquerading as dynamics.
SET amplifiers as a niche have finite limitations as do any other amplifier type, be it solid state, class D, OTL, push pull tube etc. Within a given amplifier category there's a hierarchy of quality and execution success. I find the limitations of SET or other lower power amps an acceptable tradeoff to get the superior sense of realism and naturalness they provide relative to other choices available (obviously YMMV)). There's compromise intrinsic to any and all amplifier topologies.Semantics, that's all it is. Call it impact or dynamics, the bottom line is this is a mandatory component of music.Without it, music is lifeless and unrealistic.
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Thanks for the explanation, Atmasphere. I think much of this is a question of semantics, as you say - from your perspective, I understand even more now why you substitute the one term for the other in the context of most audiophile talk. I almost felt guilty even bringing it up, since normally you are the person on this board who is the very best at describing technical/electrical type things in layman's terms. I have learned very much from you about WHY I hear the things I do in various types of equipment and therefore have learned more about why my ear prefers the things it does. There are several other audiophile terms that musicians find the use of to be strange, but I'll drop the subject now - we've had threads about that before.
Does it follow from the previous responses that a large amount of amplifier "headroom" should reduce listener fatigue, assuming the amp is capable of low distortion sound reproduction? I keep running into the relationship between fatigue and I'll call it peaked interest. I think there might be a relationship but more complicated than a perfectly converse one. More simply does boredom equal fatigue?