Audiophiles vs DIY-o-philes


Hi folks, I've been visiting the DIYaudio forum during the last weeks or so and it appears to me that the people who are discussing matters are often very well informed about the technical issues and often have a technical background as well. but sometimes I have the impression that these wonderful people are emphasizing the technical rather than the non-technical issues, like: how a unit really sounds. The term "musicality" is not for the techies but more for the non-technical audiophiles and musicians. But what does the audio-music-o-phile wants? Isn't that to get a "musical" and emotional sound that will bring him closer to "live"? This is a prelude to a very controversial issue that I want to discuss: are the audio-techno-philes who are measuring and DIY'ing things more concerned with measurement data and circuit topologies rather than with how a unit really sounds?

Chris
dazzdax
i would conjecture that many hands-on hobbyists prefer that route because they believe they can achieve "better" sound by selecting the parts themselves, rather than relying upon the designer's choices. i don't think it's purely an effort to save money.

the subjectivist notion applies also to other collectibles.

there are fads in all hobbys and although most audio components are depreciating assets, in contrast to paintings, and sculpture, for example, some components actually increase in value.

you are accurate in your analysis that most expensive audio components are price inelastic.

where the elasticity increases may be in the lower priced items, say in the $2000 to $5000 range, where the overall demand may be higher. it is in perhaps this range, or some other range where sales of products may be more price sensitive, than products say, in the range $10000 and up.

you are also accurate in your assessment that "expensive" audio gear is just another collectible for many who can afford it.

note, it is possible to design and build your own amplifier and spend thousands of dollars aon parts and labor, which could exceed the cost of another amplifier which may be suitable for one's needs.

the point is do it yourself may be motivated by quality of sound rather than economics, and that the diy hobbyist may be no different than the non diy audiophile.
Components in the "bread basket" of the marketplace(say up to $10K) are good for modifiers, insofar as they can be well engineered while compromised in the parts bin. Sometimes fairly simple parts upgrades can take them to a much higher level.

This is not to say that components above $10K are not compromised. It's just that in the view of most owners, modifying them is tanamount to drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa.
DIY'ers always say their stuff is superior to the stuff from the mainstream manufacturers. This is very annoying!

Chris
Chris, I distinguish modifiers from general DIYers in this regard. A modifier has the opportunity to start with a stock component & control variables by making small incremental changes. After 10 or so such changes to a component the ear has received an education as a test instrument. The non-DIYer audiophile has only the opportunity to swap whole components. This brings in a wider range of variables between models & manufacturers to complicate comparisons. It is more difficult to evaluate component A relative to component B, than it is to evaluate component A relative to component A with mod B. The modifier is simply extending the R&D of the original designer, freed from the constraints of development cycles & costs.
When Is a DIY'er classified as a mainstream manufacturer? when he has 1, 4 or twenty under his employ?

I would also be annoyed If I'd spent 40k on a pair of speakers purchased from a 'mainstream manufacturer', when a professional DIY'er could make me something that sounds as good or better for a quarter of the price. Money to tight to throw away lightly out of my wallet. Not having a dig at those who take the 'pro speaker manufacturer' route. I have done that In the past.