12AWG speaker wire

I'm replacing my speaker wire with 12AWG wire, There are different 12AWG wire, The ones I looked at the 1st consisted of 65 strand 30 AWG and the 2nd 294 strand 36 AWG. Looking for thoughts on which is better?


The Thicker the better. Between the two you listed I’d go with thicker strands but the cables will be stiffer 

The better the copper, the better the sound. Neotech UP-OCC from PartsConnexion. Make your own.

The better the copper, the better the sound.

Triple C will sound better than OCC which in turn will sound better than OFC and so on. Of course cable geometry, construction, solid core or multistrand, plus materials used for insulation and sheath play a sifnificant role also.

If making your own plenty to choose from big Japanese brands, Furutech, Nanotech, Neotech, Acoustic Revive, Oyaide (not order of preference).

@petg60 Triple C is not inexpensive! Furutech Alpha OCC DUCC DSS-4.1 is c.$500 per meter off the spool. Any other sources?

@rbull11 I found the solid core version superior to stranded. 

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Hi OP,

In my family room I have runs of 35 and 25 feet.

so expensive speaker wires are not practical.

I made 4 individual cables using 10 gauge all copper Audtek wire from

parts express.  No silver for me!  I soldered on spade connections both ends.

ok I did use silver solder.

Great value for longer runs or any runs.  Any speaker benefits from bi wiring and eliminating jumpers.

Audtek 10 AWG OFC Speaker Wire 100 ft. 

Audtek Electronics Part #100-029    

Model: SKRL-10-100

@rbull11 - if you are "handy" - then take a look at this site


They are excellent speaker cables that outperform many "branded products"

Read more member opinions here...


The thread discusses all cable types so you might need ot search for speaker cable comments specifically

If you have any questions about the Helix cables just ask

Regards - Steve

+ 1 williewonka

If the runs are really long, shorten them up.
NO I don't want to hear it.. Shorten the runs and move your equipment. :-)

If you have to make your own unless it's an RCA don't solder anything if you can. Pressure weld or use securements of like alloy. Silver terminal ends use silver screws. 

From the test build I've made, the thinner the wire the better was the bass spectrum. My understanding is that the thinner the wire the more the whole cable act as a solid cables because the strands are more in electrical contact with each other as opposed to larger strands. Being more stiff, the larger strands will push off each other resulting in a sound more akin to a litz cable configuration.

Resistance of wire is not linear, at low frequency it is function of the diameter of the wire and as frequency rises inductance takes over and the resistance rises. A larger diameter conductor will reduce the low frequency resistance, shifting the tonal response toward the lows end.

Thanks for your responses and the input ,                                                                                       I just ordered some Mystarsound 12-2C . This was the 65 strand 12AWG.

  • Speaker Wire: Made in the USA-High Performance 12G 2C I also ordered some gold plated PIN and Spade connectors.


Sounds like that will due as budget speaker cable. If you have speakers an an audio system that is focused on high sound quality. Then you need to look at high quality speaker cables manufactured in descrete lengths for the specific purpose. These will cost many hundreds or thousands of dollars. I have a very high end system, mine cost nearly $5K. The ones I had for the previous 30 years cost $3.5K. I would think of them as an active component in your system. 5 - 10% the value of your system. 

@petg60  What does triple C stand for?  I know OCC is Ohno Continuous Cast.  The Furutech mentioned above combines OCC with DUCC.  I don't know what DUCC is either.  Does anyone know?

I understand OFC, OCC, UP-OCC, after that I could care less. I have a buddy that paid 10K for OFC/teflon/tungsten. They still sound great. He tried to sell them for 2K not even an offer. I'm very sure after new terminal ends, and adding a construct or two, they would be right up there with other great cables. The great thing about some older cables they are broke in and just need a little TLC. Terminal ends that are pressure welded with contact enhancers were rare 20 years ago. You can DIY for the cost of a few tools now.. Graphene dust, 2 ounces will last a lifetime for cable building. 50.00 dollars..

It's not what you use as much as how you use it..

williewonka used OFC at one point.. They were still great cables.. Some were wound the wrong direction, they still sounded good.. :-)


Triple C is a different and an advanced forging process and stands for "Continuous Crystal Construction"

Copper is compressed to 70% by forging tens of thousands of times by gradual application of pressure with a fixed angle and direction. (The constant angle continuation transfer forging method). By using this forging process, the transverse crystal grain boundary changes and becomes more longitudinal, crystals now have consecutive connections which makes current flow extremely smooth.

In addition, by forging, the conductor density is dramatically improved by destroying the internal air grains. This, in turn, improves the conductivity and the acoustic signature of the copper.

Now sonicaly with CCC you get a smoother, cleaner and more refined sound, better extension at extremes, tighter bass, but sacrifice a tiny little of mid sweetness and weight compared to PCOCC.

This is my sounding understanding and experience of both technologies.

OCC-DUCC = Dia Ultra Crystallized Copper, is coming from Mitsubishi industries, is a different forging method to OCC but still an optimal aligned long-grain molecular stracture is created.

I have no sounding experience of OCC-DUCC, but may do for in my plans is a new speaker cable and that would be either Furutech DSS-4.1 (OCC-DUCC) or Acoustic Revive SPC Reference (Triple C).



Thank you for the explanation @petg60.! Very helpful.

That's a lot of technology for connecting our components.