Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

tantejuut

Don’t tell me what I hear or can’t hear, based on "whatever".

So if an audiologist explains that you, like most humans, can't hear frequencies well above 20 kHz, are you going to dispute that?

If you had an audiogram and the audiologist explains you've lost some hearing at certain frequencies, and you can't hear over 15 kHZ (or whatever the results are)...would you object "Who are YOU mr. 'expert' to try to tell ME what I can hear or not??"

Can I presume you wouldn't be that obdurate?

The question is, then, why your back is so up if someone with relevant technical knowledge tries to impart some of that knowledge (with both theory and tests demonstrating the theory)?

Some people don’t like exploration and discussion.

That's an ironic statement following your saying you don't want anyone telling you what you can and can't hear 'based on whatever.'   THAT sounds like someone not open to learning.

Has it crossed your mind that maybe...just as your audiologist is informed about how human hearing works...Amir may actually be right about many of these things?

Don't let your ego get in the way of possibly learning something.

I just revisited another older thread on ASR where someone posted the measurements of the Joseph Audio Pulsar speakers.

The general response to the measurements by the ASR crowd in that thread was "meh, not bad, not great, look at these problems...over-priced."

This is similar to the response to the Devore speakers I mentioned earlier.

If I’d used enthusiasms of the ASR members as my guide to speakers there’s no reason I ever would have pursued either the Devore or Joseph speakers. (And ended up with Genelec or KEF etc lauded in that forum).   And yet after a huge speaker audition binge they stood out head and shoulders as my favorite. I found each to be very special in their own way. And in fact I found the descriptions in subjective reviews absolutely NAILED the sonic characteristics I heard in those speakers. Which, again, is why I still can find worth in subjective reports not just measurements.

Keep in mind, that above is not to say "therefore measurements aren’t useful or don’t tell you anything" or that the ASR members were wrong in interpreting issues in the measurements that would be audible. But rather, there is the wider context about our individual goals and tastes.

So knowing that our senses are so misleading how can the audio subjectivists rely solely on their hearing? 

The bottom line in audio is how the system sounds. Some of us have multiple decades of experience putting systems together. If I sit down to listen, the only thing that is important is the sound coming out of the loudspeakers. I don't need to have my choices validated by data. Measurements are a semi-interesting side bar discussion at best. 

Stop feeding the ASR Trolls. 🧌🧌🧌🧌🧌 I know they like to eat 🪱 but please stop. Let it die. Doctor Dick er Cyndyment.

Stop feeding the ASR Trolls. 🧌🧌🧌🧌🧌 I know they like to eat 🪱 but please stop. Let it die. Doctor Dick er Cyndyment.

Sure, people dare voice views you don't share and they must be ignored and called "trolls."

And yet it's the ASR folks are called closed minded and "dogmatists."

Oh the ironing....