Buy 12ax7 tube


Hi im searching for best vacuum tube in low distortion and accurate sound up to 40$/each
For my vincent 226 mk2

I can buy raytheons black plate and rca black plate and genalex gold lion are they any good or you have some more options?!

Thanks in advance

https://drive.google.com/file/d/104Hkj3uNChEvzm4psy1Kgg3-S6Bi4XKW/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tgd21OgSaQfo5yaozCmw4VJHWt54CqHl/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W7Iu-JxZWDV3KGjb0okOrt5wD7AS-T1g/view?usp=drivesdk
mehdikh423
I bought the white label 7025a rca and my system sound better now😍
Next step is a good usb cable and make an furutech rca cable with raw cables!
A 7025 RCA is a premium low noise tube. I believe it's the equivalent of an RCA longplate. 
Don't know anything about the Canadian factory.
@bimasta, I love NOS Tung-Sol AU12's. I find them to have tonal purity, good extension, and a slight but pleasant tube bloom. 


OP... CEI was a distributor that sold quality tubes made by other manufacturers. 

Zaerix relabeled other manufacturers' tubes. I found a couple in used components.
https://www.18watt.com/viewtopic.php?t=23510

Buying tubes for $20 without etched factory codes or test results is a shot in the dark. Even if it sounds good, it may not last long. And with rebadged tubes and no description, you won't know their sonic signature.  
My advice, spend some money and buy from a reputable dealer who posts tube measurements and offers exchanges. There are many good NOS tubes for $50.

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I also found some jg 5751,trigon,zaeux And cei that i like to know what are they

All of them arround 20$
Adding a power strip is an upgrade over your previous setup. Your system may not be revealing enough to notice a change in SQ, but your components are now getting better current delivery.

RCA makes great tubes, all provide a lush, liquid midrange and clear highs.
But you may be in need of a more neutral tube.


I bought power strip and no change in my sound 
I should say again that my sound quality is perfect except bass that hasnt detail 

I think other option is buy vacuum tubes
What do you think about this one?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RS1lS9KAkuczwXNhwXoKiNAHdKIs-75a/view?usp=drivesdk
I will make a demo with complex songs maybe you hear the unpleasant sound of speaker
@lowrider57 
Its my speaker test with slow music
https://youtu.be/ESO7NiVMP1M think its very good and im quite happy

But it cant handle fast and sophisticated genre like trance and metal and even most of pop musics
I want to say i increased distance of my speaker from wall and bass is better now

Thanks for your power strip advices @lowrider57 
I should buy it
As far as a speaker upgrade, IMO Audio Psychic is a very special speaker. Is there something you dont like about your current speakers? How do they match up with the Vincent?

Wiremold is a well-built power strip that is transparent, meaning it doesn’t colour the sound and no filters are used. This is not a power conditioner, but is much higher quality than using a multi-plug for your components.
I use a Wiremold with surge protection, meaning it has a circuit breaker to protect against voltage spikes.
https://www.mscdirect.com/industrialtools/wiremold-power-strip.html
Use a strip with the shortest 3-prong cable.

Typically an amp is plugged into the wall receptacle and source components are plugged into a power conditioner to help filter noise from the power line. As mentioned, Brick Wall offers surge protection and power conditioning; the result is a noticeably lower noise floor. Furman is another good power strip/ conditioner. Brick Walls are available used on Ebay.

@lowrider57 can you suggest me a good power strip? I see they say connect your amp directly to the wall socket ac,how can it possible when i should use a power strip?
Sorry for my noob questions

And another question
If i can change my speakers with a good audio physic or dynaudio speaker or buy good power strip+power cable+new tubes+usb cable

Which one is better choose?
I just can select 1 option!
+1 to Loweider57, he is spot on with all advise . At your price point Tungsram and EI are your best bet . Telefunken is the best overall . Once you go Telefunken, you’ll never go back . I have a pre that takes 2 12AU7’s . I have about $ 2500. invested in 12AU7’s alone  . From RCA to G73-R Telefunkens. The smooth plate regular grade Telefunkens are the best bang for the buck . When looking,  Tungsrams might be relabeled as RCA or Raytheon. If you want Telefunken sound but a little brighter , try the Nickel plates . Happy Hunting , Mike. 
I use Telefunken smooth plate on my McIntosh C2300 MC phono stage and Gold Lion gold plated pins, cryogenic treated for my line stage.
Go to Brent Jesse Tubes and read... Tubes are heavily researched for character and tested. He stands behind his inventory.
Another vote for Psvane 12AX7-T11. Rolled them into my Vincent SA-T8 Pre. Massive jump in performance. Very bright initially, but settle nicely after 70 hours or so. Quiet, superb dimensionality, highly resolving.
And yes improving the Power going to your Equipment will help greatly.
Bloated bass could be caused by speakers positioned too close the the wall or by the amp not having enough power to drive the speakers. But, your amp shouldn’t have this problem.
It could also be caused by the choice of tubes. And lack of dynamics is often due to tubes.

Your power setup could be causing lack of dynamics and muddy bass, but I wouldn’t call it bass bloat. It would be a lack of clarity or transparency. Your components should not be plugged into a cheap multi-plug, especially the amp. Amps need unrestricted clean AC feeding them from the wall receptacle.

As stated before, I recommend that you use a power strip with a short cable (under 6 ft). Also, replacing the stock cable on the amp would provide better sonics; better dynamics, transparency. I think you should start by improving your power to all your components especially the amp.


Thanks everyone for your advices
I have another question,can bad electricity reduce dynamic of sound and cause bloated bass?
The New Sensor Svetlana 12ax7 is a very good sounding tube.  I have yet to try a Gold Lion 12ax7  in my amp's input but I have tried a bunch including some nos and the Svetlana is one of the better sounding current production.  JJ ecc83 were dark in my amp, Sovtek LPS were ok but not great,  mullard repop good, tungsol repop good but a little too much energy on top.  The Svetlana is currently in the input of my amp 
Mehdikh423-Following up on Lowrider57's suggestion. I purchased Brick Wall audio surge protector and this helped lower floor noise on my Cayin 50T amp.

https://www.brickwall.com/products/eight-outlet-audio-surge-protector
It's good that you only hear noise when up close to the speakers. The fact that the noise is constant even with volume down either means your amp is the problem, or more likely it's due to noise on your power line. This is the noise floor of your system, the goal is to lower it until you have a "black background." 

 Your AC line comes from the power grid in your city/town and is shared by everyone in your neighborhood, then it's wired into your service panel, then travels thru all the circuits in your home. At this point your electricity is contaminated, or polluted may be another way to describe it.

A power conditioner is typically recommended and/or a dedicated line to lower the noise floor by  isolating your system from the rest of your devices and appliances.

Your budget will determine what kind of power conditioner to use. A basic unit would be a Furman power strip/conditioner.



I just hear noise when im near the speakers,off course i should buy a good multi plug,can you recommend me anything?

Dac: burson da160(i think its best part of my system)
Speaker: dls r55
Speaker cable vdh gold water
Rca cable ifi(i have a tchernov standard series too)
Usb cab 2$ dayio cable!
Can you hear noise (with no music) from your listening position or only up close to the speaker? It could easily be noise from tubes, but your power setup is far from optimal.

 You should use a quality power strip or a strip with power conditioning, not a multi-plug. It's like you're choking the flow of  electricity (AC) going to your system.

In addition to the Vincent, what are your components?


I read in my dac guide that if i connect directly to a power socket it will have a better sound quality
But im using and old and cheap electric tee for my amp and dac
Maybe the power is the problem?!
Well recorded song are very good in my system!
What is ac line?
Low or high volume isnt effect much to the level  of noise(im not sure i should test it),i can hear the noise if i stop the music
Maybe a power filter can help me more than new tubes?!

Agree with @roberjerman on all points. Your noise floor may be too high and your choice of music is not reference quality. Also agree to try using a well recorded symphony to help tweak your system. A revealing setup will present layers of instruments with detail and separation between.

It may not be the fault of your amp, but you need to use low-noise tested tubes. Face the fact that it will cost you more than $40 each. Out of your list the Raytheon may be the most revealing, but testing for noise and microphonics is a must.
  Telefunken or Siemens are really the way to go for transparency and low noise. Andy at Vintage Tube Services sells very low noise tubes, but only takes phone calls for orders. You tell him what you're looking for and your budget.

The noise floor is also affected by dirty power in your AC line. With the volume up and no music playing can you hear any noise or low-level hum thru your speakers?

Lack of separation and detail is an inherent problem with the trance recordings you are listening to. They are hardly audiophile quality! Try some well-recorded classical recordings instead: Munch/Heifetz BSO Beethoven Violin Concerto RCA Red Seal SACD, etc ...
Psvane 12AX7-TII selected by and purchased from Grant Fidelity are Chinese production and a fabulous tube. 
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I can hear very loud background noise(shshshsh)
That i really dont care about it
But i like to know what is the problem
A dayio usb cable(2$)
Rca cable is ifi cable i think it have good quality
So i think usb cable may be the problem
Poor frequency separation may be caused by your interconnects. They may be limiting the bandwidth or detail.
What ICs are you using?

I have problem that the system cant control the sound in sophisticated genre like trance
Separation isnt enough
I cant hear the separated frequencies!!

Do you think the problem is from tubes?!!

Speaker : dls r55
Amp vincent 226 mk2
Dac burson da160

For new production tubes, this is a good reference. In my preamp, the EH gold pins sounded much better overall than Mullards.
https://www.tubedepot.com/tube-comparison-tool


and now that i read the posts the Sovtek 12AX7LPS are what i meant to recommend, not the Svetlana. they are excellent. i am all Russia confused right now, and rightfully so /:

Search Ebay since there are also very good comments on these but I have not received my pair yet;

TJ Fullmusic 12AX7

There is also a Thread on Audiogon using Full Music in the Header.



Good comments here and I have reviewed this extensively for my Phono Stage.

Check out Jim McShane at mcshanedesign.net for Tube needs.

I bought these from Jim and they are New with a number of good comments in the chat threads;

*Sovtek 12AX7LPS tubes, very low noise spiral filaments, checked for good section-to-section match, $14.75 ea., or $29.75 per matched pair; quads (if available - these are VERY rarely needed) are $61.50. For specially selected tubes (for Aesthetix and other hi gain/noise sensitive gear) selected pairs (when available) are $37.50. These are great for sockets where a good quiet tube is needed, and the tone is top shelf. My tube of choice for Citation phono stages!