Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

@amir_asr Here is the problem: there is no proof point that the assertion of said designer is true. You say he did "extensive listening tests." I guarantee that you have no idea what that testing was let alone that it was extensive. What music was used? What power level? What speakers? How many listeners? What is the qualifications of the designer when it comes to hearing impairments?

Story is told and believed. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is not. After all, if he saw a significant measurement error, logic says the odds of it sounding good is low. After all, why else would you tell that story? If the odds are low, then we better have a documented, controlled test that shows that. Not just something told.

Exactly. I believed something "told" once. Thought I’d put it to the test myself. It was about a really great measuring DAC on said forum. All looked good on measurements and graphs. I took the plunge, went out and bought it with intent it would be a long term keeper DAC. Played it for just under two weeks. Unfortunately, ended up sending it back for a full refund and kept a different unit that measured worse. This other worse measuring unit sounded so much better and was notably more engaging to my ears - for half the price. My ears, my preference, is #1. Summary, what measured better did not sound better. End of story for me. And, preference can vary from one person to the next, no matter what the graph wants to show.

Thanks to those in business who understand this and offer a helpful refund policy. Not everyone is going to like the sound of their designs. 

It  is my experience too... Thanks for your post .

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Measurements are all I use, so they are very useful, but for you prior to review, a bias. 

I am not reviewing your speakers.  I want to see the measurements so can put some meat behind the bold claims you are making regarding their performance.  Your unwillingness again shows you either don't have proper measurements or that they show too poor of a performance.

You are also contradictory.  You have no issue biasing people with the way the speaker looks. or how it is designed.  But ask for some objective data and oh, "that will bias you."  Well, hell you already biased everyone.

Exactly. I believed something "told" once. Thought I’d put it to the test myself. It was about a really great measuring DAC on said forum. All looked good on measurements and graphs. I took the plunge, went out and bought it with intent it would be a long term keeper DAC. Played it for just under two weeks. Unfortunately, ended up sending it back for a full refund and kept a different unit that measured worse. 

Sad as if you had spent a modicum of effort performing a blind test, you would have arrived at a very different conclusion.  But no, you wanted to involve your eyes and ignore elasticity of your brain and its poor recall memory.

Reminds me of someone who sent me a Schiit Yggdrasil $2,500 DAC.   He told me it sounded much better than a well measuring Topping DAC.  I asked him how he tested.  He gave me his tracks and said he used Stax headphones which I also had.  

I went to setup an AB test and it was clear that levels were not matched between the two.  I matched them and then performed a blind test.  With normal volume, there was no difference whatsoever between the Topping and Schiit Yggdrasil.  Again I replicated his entire setup.  And this was the conclusion.

The problem continues to be that people believe in random testing of the gear where many factors are involved beyond the fidelity of the two products.  And then complain when their observations don't match science and engineering.  Well, you can't mix non-science and science.  

So tell your stories but not to me please.  Come back when you can at least be bothered to do an AB test without your eyes involved.

@amir_asr Well, you can’t mix non-science and science.

So tell your stories but not to me please. Come back when you can at least be bothered to do an AB test without your eyes involved.

Yes we can. And, there it is for all to see. My goal was to further expose more of your self-inflicted BS to everyone here. Wishing you best of luck on the future!