does it need to be complicated


i am looking to go 2.0 or 2.1 to enjoy my vinly collection thru my orginal klipsch quartets. I have been to three stores cant seem to find consensus on a new intergrated preampliier The loudedest i might on ocassion listen to music is 95-104 max db for a song or two. I would like to stream lossless music thru a app like tidal,i would like to add a cd player. 

1. what watt out put would you recommend for me

2.I am awaare a&b and also c amplifiers again id like thoughts for people that know

3. i have a budget up to 5000 dollars but i am not a audiophile but want above average exspecially if my old klipsch fail but please make suggestions of equipment that is new and readily availble thanks in advance i sincerely hope i dont end up at a box store like best buy.

 

meyer1

It sounds like you’re in the market for an integrated amp - not a preamp, correct? Some clarification questions:

  1. Would you want one with a built in phono stage, or do you have an existing phono stage? What turntable and cartridge are you running?
  2. There are a growing number of good, streaming integrated amps out there nowadays. One of these could be an option OR you could opt for a separate streamer. 
  3. Your quartets are quite sensitive at 98db and 8 ohms. So you won’t need a lot of wattage to make them sing.
  4. Tube or solid state or hybrid? The wattage output makes a difference based on which option. For example, 25 watts of good Class A tube power can be just as loud and full of presence as 100 watts of solid state. There are quite a lot of excellent options at your price range for each option! 

First thank you for responding

1. 1 want a built in phono stage,i was sold 13 years ago a Audio Tecnnica from the guy who sold me my orginal 5.1 system which was never set up properly i am sure it is junk after just now looking on the internet. Does a new turntable with a fixed cartridge would be good

2.I have limited space so a built in streamer would be better

3. exellent

4. this is the most confusing part, and frankly above my knlowedge the sales people i talked with have pushed me towards whatever they make the most money on i am prety sure. i always appreciatte quality products.I would error to better then average if that makes sense. I enjoy listening to music how it was recored. I however dont need to show off with something that will make no difference to my 69 year old ears. i really am open and need guidiance from a non sales person who know what there speaking about

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right on. It sounds like you're looking for One Integrated to Bind Them All. At your price point here're a few suggestions:

1. Cambridge Audio Evo 150 (~$3300)

2. NAD Masters M10 V3 (~$3000)

3. NAD C389 BluOS (~2500)

Each of these offers both streaming AND a built in phono stage. However, that phono stage will only accept MM cartridges. Truthfully, if you really want to enjoy your vinyl and you have that $5K budget, I would suggest something like this:

 

 

I've heard Klipsch heresy's driven by Rogue audio's small tube integrated and they were very very good.  Fun speakers with a lot of energy but still smooth.  Definitely not laid back chamber music type. 

Simao, i looked at your recommendations is a class D power source the thing now? should i bit the bullet and go to a class A or AB? Also my vinly recoreds date back to the 1970's they have been played on mid grade turntables there whole life so would upgrading to a higher end turntable make a difference thanks all who are looking at these post i am absoultly lost in the woods

At that price point, with those speakers, I’d go with a classic looking, traditional integrated with a good phono section, and do a separate dac/streamer.  My recommendations:

Integrated: Yamaha A-S2200 - $5,000

Streamer/DAC - Wiim Ultra - $329

Your speakers are 8 ohm, 97+db sensitivity, so you don’t need much power.  The Yamaha has more than enough - you could actually go tubes if you wanted.  The Wiim is known to be very easy to use, so minimal complication.  

 

@mdalton Good point. I was holding back from a separate streamer as the OP didn't seem to be into that. However, I can +1 on the Yamaha and Wiim combo!

i look at every suggestion made so thanks and keep any thoughts coming. The Yamaha reviews are great the wiim streamer has sold reviews However i am looking to simplfy so (no question is stupid) does adding a seperacte Dac creat commplexity to ease of set up and use? Also will a CD player run thru the Dacthen onto the Yamaha 

and when you say go tubes is there a recommendation

I’d run the cd player straight thru the yamaha, so you’d just have 3 sources: 1) phono; 2) CD; and 3) streaming.  So let’s assume streaming is input #3 on the Yamaha: you switch to input #3, and then you control the Wiim thru your phone (or ipad).  It’s very easy and intuitive - I’m 64, btw, for reference.  The Dac is integrated with the streamer, so you don’t even have to know it’s there.  It’ll be a simple pair of rca interconnects from the Wiim, which itself is very compact.  

oh, and missed your question re tube amp recommendations. A little tougher cuz most don’t come with phono stages, but one that comes to mind is Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum Mk 3 @ $3300.  And the upgraded “Dark” version is $4500.  Very well regarded by people I respect.  Re Yamaha, you could spend less ($3300) and get the A-S1200 with very similar specs to the A-S2200. 

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one more idea, at other end of power spectrum: Luxman SQ-N150, for $3500.  Very cool amp.  Only 10 watts (into 6 ohms), but given the efficiency of your speakers, could be a good combo.  Nice phono stage.  

please keep your thoughts coming, I have spent hours reviwing your comments. i am leaning towards the the Yamaha s1200 rather then the 2200.All reviews i see have said you only gain 10 watts of power if true i dont need it and will use the money for my other componets.

1. Turntable to play my 50 year old vinly please remeber ease of use and maintiance there are two types of cartridges what is recommenred for a person like me

2. Cd payer simple please

3. Dac streamer i get it now i am looking at your thoughts and doing some reaserach myself  but i need a easy intuitive software control

Unless you all have strong feeling against a Yamaha I AM THINKING WE SHOULD CHECK THE BOX? 

Recommendations under $1k:

CD Player: Rotel CD-11 - $699

Turntable - I’m a Pro-ject fan for budget turntables.  Right at $1k you can get a Debut Pro with a Sumiko cartridge.  But there are other brands out there that have their fans: Rega, Music Hall, Mofi, just to name a few.

The Belles Aria is an outstanding integrated amp. All you would need is an outboard DAC which is no big deal. BTW, it has a 5 year warranty!

https://powermodules.com/aria-integrated-1

Sunday am update, i went to a local highend audioghile store yesterday (simply Stero) they were busy and understaffed When i briefly spoke to the owner and a customer they poo pooed the Yamaha as weak and substandard they said a Athemn they had on display would be a much better option. I am getting clearer and understand nothing is perfect but should i just max out my budget and bite the bullet and buy the  machintosh 5300 for better or worst and just move on? My other thought was buy 2 units like from crutchfield and see which sounds best with my speakers is that fair? Anyway the turntable,CD player will not be a problem the only decsionis which intergrated amp will suite me best i am okay with a indepedent streamer with dac as i get it and when the technlodgy changes i can easily upgrade that componet.

Hope you all have a good day it is hot in Chicagoland

I have a very, very high end dealer who carries Yamaha for his budget customers, and for good reason.  I’ve heard a Yamaha sound surprisingly great with a nice set of speakers in show conditions.  Anthem is great stuff, but probably better known for their A/V receivers and their room correction software.  For you, a big factor should probably be the quality of the phono stage.  I’d be surprised if Anthem outperforms the Yamaha there.  Bottom line is you’re not gonna get consensus on this choice, so at a certain point, you’re gonna have to go with your gut, based on your budget, research, and whatever listening you can do.

You have a 17x17' room = square, which is the worst for bass management. I am in the same boat as you. I use a diagonal set-up, which works reasonably well for me. Non-conventional, but works.

Is this an empty room, or does it have furniture in it? My room is the guest bed room, and the mattress acts as a large bass absorber, book shelf with books as a diffuser behind listening position. I made additional absorption from discarded shipping pallet wood and Roxul 180 (towels work as well). Lots of YouTube videos on that.

If you cannot add sound controls to your room, consider near-field listening (taking the room out of the equation), though your Klipsch are unlikely to be suitable for that. Digital Room Correction is NOT going to solve the node problems in a square room, sorry.

Re TT, lots of option in the ~1K range. Depends a bit of what features you want (automatic vs manual, belt vs. direct drive, color options, integrated phono preamp or not). Re cartridge, MM for sure, maybe something like an Ortofon 2Mblue or bronze. With many ~1K TTs a cart is supplied with it. Possibly start there, and if you want upgrade thereafter.

For amp, I would look at second hand market. I would not worry too much about brand (stick to majors, IMHO), rather whether you like the look, whether it has phono stage built in (see above re TT options). 

Good luck!

I live in the Chicago area and agree the number of brick and mortar dealers are down to a precious few.  My recommendations are as follows, as I personally own these pieces with the exception of the Rega, as I exclusively stream music nowadays.

Belles Aria Integrated amplifier, 75w per channel with excellent phono stage.-$2495

Bluesound Nano Streamer/dac-$379

Rega Planar One Turnable- includes quality cartridge-$595

Get some quality speaker wire and cables, but don’t go crazy-$750

call John Rutan at Audio Connection in New Jersey.  He is the most honest, patient dealer on the planet.  Might have some of those pieces used, but carries all those lines.

 

Gary

Used Hegel H390 would fill all of your needs, except for a phono preamp....those can be found cheap enough. The Hegel H390 includes: preamp, amp, streamer, and DAC. They are excellent as an all in one unit

Thank you all. I now know there is not a right answer,There seems to be nowhere to go to listen to the top choices side by side. So i have decided to go with the Yamaha S2200 for its simplicity,excellent quality build,5 year warranty. I am checking the the box. Next is my streamer with Dac, i would like one that has a decent display so i can see what is playing, a cd player or transport will definitely will run thru it back into the Yamaha