How does sound influence your appreciation?


Since I’ve gotten my system to a very good place, I find myself liking the performance of almost everything I hear. Now in classical music, there are sometimes dozens of performances of the same piece, each performance having its own unique take. I now seem to like every interpretation I hear regardless of differences, due to the great sound. I’m losing my discernment because the sound is so much a part of the equation. This is more true of orchestral music than other types
How about you?

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It could be that a bad sounding system leaves only the musicianship to be appreciated, so it differentiates more than a good sounding system, which also reveals the pleasing sound qualities of the instruments, voices, and the concert hall. Bad sounding systems leave bad musicians no place to hide.

i concur with your post.

I never needed a good system to appreciate the music i love.

But a bad system/room is a problem to solve if we want to explore complex choral music or big orchestra as in symphonies. Anyway a piano sound horrible in bad system/room. An organ is nowhere near what it is: a beast...

And human voices ask for a good system/room for the voices timbre and nuances...

I dreamed about a high-fi system of great qualities all my life. I succeeded only few years ago without big money investment ( thanks to basic knowledge especially acoustics ).

 

It could be that a bad sounding system leaves only the musicianship to be appreciated, so it differentiates more than a good sounding system, which also reveals the pleasing sound qualities of the instruments, voices, and the concert hall. Bad sounding systems leave bad musicians no place to hide.

 

@oberoniaomnia *G*  That was actually worth repeating... ;)

I'm addicted to variety of music, predominately the current currencies' of many 'flavors'....obviously with my penchant of poking things at y'all at large...
In all intent, to make a point from a pointed little head or just amuse if possible in the probable..

I listen in a space that is certainly nor Albert Hall, except for the holes in it with a Different collection of items that suite my budget; But do what I attempt rationally well with the flexibility I think best to accomplish enough inputs and speaker lines out.....

The speakers are a bit of a misshapen line array, floor to flown.  Add or subtract at will, some bi-amping may be involved...

Think a different take on the Wall of Sound.

Certainly not one of Legos' but the sound allows to discern or just enjoy.

And no neighbors to disturb. 👍

i like a project where I can take a low-end, modest ( cheap ) speaker and turn it into a giant killer!
and it appeals to my altruistic proletariat motives as many people in MANY countries are stuck w/ their low-end gear yet w/ some tweaks and fine tuning & crossover mods we can make things MUCH better!
thern i like finding new application like turning a tower speaker into a better Center channel speaker than the supplied W/T/W
|and i like working w/ an expert to do this !

oK FOLKS HERE HOW THEY CAN BE FIXED !the sony tower Sony SS-CS3 3

Danny, GR research said : " We’ve done that upgrade on the Sony tower Sony SS-CS3 3 and look forward to getting it back to you. "

here are the results AFTER it’s fixed !

the sony tower Sony SS-CS3 3

Impedance: Fairly balanced other than the dip in the lower midrange down, to 2.67ohms in the lower midrange.

the sony tower Sony SS-CS3 3

Spectral Decay: Much cleaner decay overall, but still a bit messy, should clean up with NoRez and some additional stuffing

the sony tower Sony SS-CS3 3

Vertical Axis: they get a fairly proud around 3Khz as you move up above the tweeter, but still fairly smooth overall.

the sony tower Sony SS-CS3 3

Horizontal Axis: still very smooth.

the sony tower Sony SS-CS3 3

read and weep

"We did Design something for the SSCS3 that worked out pretty well, but the main issue is that the impedance unfortunately drops to ~2.7 ohms at ~350Hz, which will make them quite hard to drive, and can make some amps run hot or cause them to become unstable.

Here are the new measurements: (old measurements in the attachments)

OnAxis+ crossover: Much smoother response than stock."

thousands of happy customers in 105 countries rather well proves the wisdom and efficacy of GR research approach!

his critics are facile proven idiots , dolts IME ! Danny knows what will sound best and simply ..............................does it !

he recently corrected this low-end Sony tower speaker and will soon correct the crossover when i send the same speaker back to him now redesigned by me as a horiziontal center channel speaker w/ the base removed & w/ the drivers re-arranged.in a W-t/M-W configuration !

the point is to take modest-priced speaker and make it as good sounding as an expensive one !

he did the same / similar w/ the bookshelf speaker of the series brilliantly making the super-tweeter the tweeter and the tweeter a dome style midrange ! his crossover magic ! all w/ out changing the drivers!

this resulted in a very cheap speaker $180 a pair ! having the performance of $1K speaker ! amazing !

next crazy project (and a bit more difficult is to take one of the Sony SS-CS3 3 towers take off the little base and turn it horizontal and make it a upgraded center channel! we will reconfigure the speakers to a ideal center channel W-T/M -W configuration! 🙂

yes it will require new faceplate and new x -over too!

we are considering configuring the woofers w/ the Allison acoustic push pull configuration ! that means they are electrically OUT of phase but acoustically IN Phase . it gives 20% less harmonic distortion too! here is the little stock center-channel

one has to wonder if it is that the makers are doing such p$%-poor engineering, design or that they deliberately use such cheap a#$ parts!?

as a member of SAE ( Society OF Automotive Engineers ) I know if automakers did this, used cheap parts, cars would be nearly useless! 🤣

next crazy project (and a bit more difficult is to take one of the Sony SS-CS3 3 towers take off the little base and turn it horizontal and make it a upgraded center channel! we will reconfigure the speakers to a ideal center channel W-T/M -W configuration! 🙂

yes it will require new faceplate and new x -over too!

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“I’m losing my discernment because the sound is so much a part of the equation”

How can this possibly be a good thing? In my book, this is as much of a negative as not being able to appreciate a great performance because the sound is not up to a certain (personal) standard. Not every performance is on the same level of artistry. Some are exceptional, some are bad and many are somewhere in between. Yes, great sound is always a good thing and we all strive for it. Our presence here makes this obvious,

Whether the quality of the sound or that of the performance is one’s top priority is a personal thing. However, it seems to me that each deserves as much scrutiny as the other. To answer the OP’s question more succinctly: Very little, if at all.