Jazz for aficionados
@mahgister While surfing You Tube I came across this video about Sansui which I thought might interest you. He talks about the history of Sansui, the "70s stereo wars" between electronic industry and why quality Sansui hifi "disappeared" by the end of the 20th century. And he manages to do all of this in just 13 minutes. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO SANSUI - YouTube
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Yes ; I'm familiar with this live Quintet recording. I heard it when it was first released but at the time it did not seem as strong to me as one particular night's performance I'd witnessed with my wife at Yoshi's, hence I've never owned it. This track is pretty hot, though and has got me thinking that I need to re-evaluate. ;o) Of course, I've seen Iyer's name here and there but have never actually checked out his playing. Time to do so! Herbie Nichols Trio. 👍
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Thanks i will certainly listen to it...😊
My best to you...
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Listened to a lot of the late great Wayne Shorter last night. The album Speak No Evil is probably his best overall session. When Wayne joined Art Blakey’s Jazz Messengers, he became the bands primary composer and a few years later became the primary composer for the famous Miles Davis Quintet of 1965 - 1968. Great Juju (Rudy Van Gelder 24 Bit Mastering / 1999 Digital Remaster) - YouTube Greatest Speak No Evil (Remastered 1998 / Rudy Van Gelder Edition) - YouTube Wayne was also a prophet... |
"Speak No Evil", "JuJu", "Night Dreamer", "Adam’s Apple" and "Etcetera" please me equally. "The All Seeing Eye", "Schizophrenia" and "The Soothsayer" not so much. I find the writing on "The All Seeing Eye" off-putting and on the two other recordings, James Spaulding is, to my ear, a liability. While he may be a fine second-tier player, he’s not on the level of Shorter and the other players. On "Odyssey of Iska" and "Motto Grosso Feio", Shorter plays (if I recall correctly, soprano) over long jams that you might actually find to your liking, if you haven’t heard them. They are somewhat akin to early Weather Report. Also, check out Horacee Arnold’s "Tribe", "Tales of the Exonerated Flea" and Miroslav Vitous' "Mountain in the Clouds". Shorter had at least two encounters with Milton Nascimiento -- on Shorter’s "Native Dancer" and on the latter’s "Milton". I prefer "Milton". That Blakey outfit with Wayne, Freddie Hubbard (or Lee Morgan on Indestructible) was amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJBLA39spc4&list=OLAK5uy_nJOp9u0pWGGTEbPU_rtQN35yOkuJ9WCd0
Shorter was deeply influenced by involvement in the Nichiren Shoshu sect of Buddhism, as were some other Jazz "heavy hitters", such as Herbie Hancock.
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Now you can move on to The All Music Guide to Jazz, which includes out-of-print releases not included in the Penguin! ;o) Yes, there is overlap but I still found the AMG a useful supplemental resource. https://www.amazon.com/All-Music-Guide-Jazz-Definitive/dp/087930717X
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@pjw81563 Thanks for posting the Youtube track, it's wonderful! We've got tickets for a "Love In Exile" concert with Iyer, Aroob Aftab and Shahzad Ismaily - coming up soon. Not a jazz concert, but surely improvised music. Here's a link to a performance by these musicians from NPR last May: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/12/1173970913/arooj-aftab-vijay-iyer-shahzad-ismaily-tiny-desk-concert |
Great to read so many mentions and praise of Wayne Shorter. One of the true giants of this music and my favorite post-1960, or so, Jazz composer. As a player, one of the most notable aspects of his playing was how his improvisations became more and more economical over time. He could tear it up as much as any saxophone player, but chose to play more and more concisely and minimally as he grew older. One of those players that could say so much with just one note. Very expressive. Many of his greatest albums have been mentioned. One that doesn’t get mentioned often is “Atlantis”. A favorite. It features his compositions and somewhat less actual improvisation than on some of his other records. Great and interesting tunes with very interesting textures in a style uniquely his and clearly post-Weather Report in sound. https://youtu.be/qUDRRCQj0TE?si=V_TVDBC8sfuxZ3I6
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I am looking for this box of Shorter : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mJS8HXbYn4&list=PLvi2o7pgqcHAq4eNvVCzsRysWu09Oc0Wq 😊 |
I agree and over the last 3 decades I have purchased over 50 Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers CDs. After Miles and then Coltrane, my Blakey library is the 3rd most in terms of CD count. The OP opened up this thread over 10 years ago with "Moanin" and I think its safe to say that all the JFA community likes Blakey. His hard driving sound is the "signature" of every Jazz Messenger session, studio or live, no matter the rest of the personnel. Not as technical as a Max Roach but still one of my favorite drummers. Some personal favorites: Art Blakey & Lee Morgan - 1960 - A Night In Tunisia - 01 A Night In Tunisia - YouTube Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Bu's Delight - YouTube The Egyptian (Remastered) - YouTube Free For All (2004 Remaster/Rudy Van Gelder Edition) - YouTube |
Great post Weather Report Shorter session. Here are some post 80s Shorter I really like Wayne Shorter - Children of the Night - YouTube The 3 live albums, Footprints, Beyond the Sound Barrier and Without a Net are all superlative recordings.
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Re: "The Van Gelder Sound" I like it. All of the record producers and musicians that recorded sessions engineered by Van Gelder liked it. Whether first, at his parents studio and later at the purpose built Englewood Cliffs studio. Of course Van Gelder has many detractors, most notably Charles Mingus. Van Gelder:
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I take it that you are referring to the original RVG recordings. Detractors of the RVG remasters have asserted they are too bright, due to RVG's age at the time and his loss of hearing in the high frequency range. My system is on the warm side of neutral and I don't find them so but those for whom transparency and detail are the highest priorities and have systems that highlight such priorities may well disagree. That's quite a Blakey collection you have but then his was quite a dynasty ! |
We know about Land, but Listen to the trumpet player! Dupree Bolton. |
From Wiki
As you can see it is definitely possible to own 50 plus Blakey albums, especially if you are a Blakey Completist, which I most definitely am. |
The RVG remasters may have a bright sound as stuartk has posted and I have heard many others who feel that way. Music genres and listening are both subjective in nature. I for one like the way they sound and you can get a ton of RVG remasters from a ton of musicians. Many essential Jazz Messengers albums were remastered by RVG, and all of them were originally engineered by RVG..... John Coltrane chose RVGs Englewood Cliffs studio in which to record the masters of one of the greatest jazz sessions in history, A Love Supreme..... |
Thanks @acman3 and @alexatpos for the Dupree Bolton suggestions. Another relatively unknown trumpeter who also played with Harold Land and many other great artists was Carmell Jones. His album Jay Hawk Talk has one of my favorite renditions of What is This Thing Called Love. Jimmy Heath on tenor sax Carmell Jones - What Is This Thing Called Love? - YouTube A superlative session with Harold Land on tenor sax The Remarkable Carmell Jones - YouTube Album notes praising Jones
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Paul, here is another album featuring Carmell Jones...the ’others’ palying on it are not bad either... Curtis Amy (Dupree Bolton played on his Katanga record) and Frank Butler ’Groovin Blue’ https://youtu.be/mARr-DylXKA?feature=shared As for RVG remasters, I prefer to buy albums before that second remastering, not so because of higher freq, but more because of the gain level...previous BN remasters, usually done by Rob McMaster (nomen est omen?), are somewhat quieter and as a result more articulate, in a lack of better words, pardon my english @acman3 You are of course welcome, I guess you posted much more (for me) unknown music...if only you would write their names under or above the links,ha.... |
Great song on Soultrain. @acman3 |
Can't help with streaming but the CD is available here: https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=359944&ev=mb&ships_from=United+States&format=CD |
Well; many on CD are no longer in print, so grab ’em up while you can! Still, they’re easier to find in many cases than the Ron McMaster versions. I personally wouldn’t avoid buying any of the RVG’s because of sound, but then, my system is somewhat on the warm side. Stitt was quite prolific; here’s another one I like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuEV0iq9g3E
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Some documentary are EARS opener about a giant... Another proof if necessary that music is less about our tastes than about discovery... Thanks to frogman who spoke about him here long ago... Rahsaan Roland Kirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URS-P9Zt8IU
Kirk awake the same amazement in me than Sun Ra ... Incredible power going way over music entertainment... More like real magician here to transform the world...... His coming back to playing after a stroke which let him half paralysed remind me of the miraculous coming back of Pat Martino... It is also frogman who let me behind Martino guitar magic works .. One of my best loved Jazz album ever is from Martino...I listen it hundred times... 😊
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As all of you know I have been reading the new Sonny Rollins biography. I just started Chapter 25 titled Sonny Meets Hawk. On page 402 (yes I am a slow reader) I read something that really disturbed me. I have been wanting to share so much of this book here on JFA while reading but decided not to because it would spoil the experience for any others who want to read it. However, I just wanted to share a small paragraph on page 402 and after reading it you will see why I am so upset over it. Here it is:
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It goes without saying that Alfred Lion, a man I had respected as one of the greats of bringing American Jazz to millions of listeners, was just another business man trying to take advantage of artists (yes I know most all recording companies and their owners/employees are guilty of this). For some reason I always thought of Alfred Lion and Francis Wolff as a duo that had integrity but now I know otherwise.... |
Back to the music... Re: Sonny Simmons (the artist that Alfred Lion tried to sign using heroin) This was the first I have heard of him because Sonny Rollins liked his playing. Rollins and Simmons would go over to saxophonist Clifford Jordans house for hours long jam sessions and Rollins liked Simmons because of his improvisational talent. Naturally I checked Spotify and found Simmons' first 3 albums and made a Sonny Simmons Playlist. His debut album as a leader is called Staying on the Watch - Wikipedia |
I have no problem believing that Lion could be guilty of this. He was, after all a record producer in the 30s through the end of the 60s and heroin was used by a lot of jazz artists, many of whom made little to no money and were "strung out". The list is so long that posting the names of the jazz artists that used dope during these 4 decades might take up a whole page on this thread.....
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Heard this track on the car radio today, my good fortune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcdOmnHverk Had never heard of tenor saxophonist Ralph Moore prior to today. Looking forward to playing his recordings. |
thanks go the link.A friend gave me a copy. It’s good to have friends.😁
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Stitt is definitely in my top 20 as well! A great Sonny Stitt record with an even greater title Sonny Stitt - Just In Case You Forgot How Bad He Really Was (1981) [Complete CD] - YouTube |
