Job Integrated Amp.

Thank you @joeinid ! Seems like a killer indeed...

Any negative feedback around? :)

Congrats @joeinid for your purchase!

Could you please give us some more details on your impressions between your old setup with 225 and the new Int?

Very appreciated!

Thank you so much.

It has been a while since I had the 225 in my system but with the high gain of that amp, it was finicky to match a proper preamp.

Honestly, the best preamp for that amp was the Dartzeel NHB-18NS, dead quiet, low gain, and wonderfully sweet. No one in their right mind would use that combo because of the price mismatch, but we are not "normal".  Another great preamp, rather I should say passive, was built for me by Richard Becker of AUM Acoustics. He was able to tailor the piece to my taste. Other preamps recommended are low gain, eg. 0-6db gain, like the Primaluna preamp work extremely well, based on friends recommendations.

I was able to get the 225 to sing extremely well.

Out of the box, the Job INTegrated is such a great package, no tweaking necessary. Sure it performs best fed by a digital signal because the RCA "analog" inputs are converted to digital and back to analog. Not a concern for me because of the way I intend to use it.

The Job INTegrated, I think, works so well because it is tightly integrated, meaning the preamp/amp/dac work as one. No gain mismatch to worry about. No additional cables necessary, no additional pieces to worry about matching and wondering if they will work together properly.

The sound of the Job INTegrated has a slight sweetness that typical solid state does not. It has a big sound stage, tremendous separation, wonderful vocals that are clearly heard that are right there in front of you. Bass is supremely articulate and when called upon, delivers powerfully. Image depth is surprising for solid state. You’d swear that this "system" cost 10X what you paid.

For $1699 delivered, you can not only taste, but actually own an "audiophile" system that delivers in spades. As long as your speakers are not monsters to drive and are reasonably efficient, you are golden.

The Job INTegrated is killer.

Congrats @joeinid for your purchase!

Could you please give us some more details on your impressions between your old setup with 225 and the new Int?

Very appreciated!

@joeinid, welcome to the club! Although you're no stranger to the Job club actually. Lol. Nice little piece, isn't it.

Thanks!

I thought the Job 225 was good, this is freaking outstanding. You are 100% correct. Thank you for the vote of confidence.

@joeinid, welcome to the club! Although you're no stranger to the Job club actually. Lol. Nice little piece, isn't it.

My Job INTegrated arrived and is playing. For $1699 delivered, this has to be the deal of the century. I am feeding it right now with a W4S modified Sonos and it sounds wonderful.

@jafant, a core power technologies pct 150 is giving balanced AC and speaker cables are Audience AU24 SE.

Please forgive my complete ignorance. I have noticed that you have rightfully ignored it. The INT sound like a very good deal. If I had a place for it I might have bought one for myself. I am a tube-o-phile so I might be happier with the JOB power amps with a tube pre amp.

mechans,

If you do pair a tube preamp with Job amps, please look for a preamp with low gain. 10db of gain or under is preferred.

If they did strive for quality then they would have confidence in their products for longer than a year.

Job has been out for many years, have you heard of anyone complaining of broken amps?

No.

How many other manufacturers only offer 1 year warranty? Look at the price point, if you are that worried, don’t buy one.

My Job INTegrated will be here next week.

If they did strive for quality then they would have confidence in their products for longer than a year.

Owners-

what cabling are you guys using w/ the 225?

You bet Joe. I just put a core power technologies CPT 150 power cord on the INT and it's a phenominal addition.

I am sure you will not have any problems. Job/Goldmund strives for quality. Any issue will likely manifest within the first year, otherwise a short trip to Geneva will be required. Unless you abuse your gear, you will have nothing to worry about.


Devilboy,

I placed my order yesterday for the INTegrated. Can't wait to get mine! Thank you for all the excitement/advice.

I just noticed that the Job products came with a very short 1 year warranty... That's quite disappointing when you know that Goldmund products are covered during 3 years.

I'm wondering what happens if you have any issue after those 12 months...

Any thoughts on that? Any experiencing returning a Job product?

Thanks!

Please forgive my complete ignorance.  I have noticed that you have rightfully ignored it.  The INT sound like a very good deal.  If I had a place for it I might have bought  one for myself.  I am a tube-o-phile so I might be happier with the JOB power amps with a tube pre amp.

Added pics of new room layout and the INTegrated.
Unfortunately INT has to go on the floor for now. Right speaker cable won't reach rack.

@ alaarx, like I said in my post, I'm fine with using the INT's dac instead of my Hex. BUT, from what I gather, your Yggy is in a different league.  I never heard it but seems like it's an end game dac.
Job has a 20% (ouch), restocking fee. $340 to audition the INT if you don't like it.

Hi everyone,
Been lurking for a while but this is my first post. I currently have a Schiit Yggdrasil DAC as part of my headphone setup and am looking to get a good set of speakers and amp. The Job 225 seems very well regarded here and reading through the INT thread it seems to be from similar DNA. A few users report that the INT holds its own against their separates but i just can't imagine another DAC touching the Yggdrasil (in my price bracket), let alone one that is part of an integrated unit.
As the 225 and INT are the same price, what should i be looking at here? If I get the 225 ill still need a passive pre / volume control coming from the Yggy, if i get the INT ill be bypassing my DAC which has a sound i really enjoy.
I guess what I'm asking here is, will the INT be surpassed by a great DAC and Pre into the 225? Both setups will cost me the same (ill get a bit more location flexibility with the INT though).

Speakers vary but at the moment I'm using B&W 684's, nothing fancy.

I don’t think the INT has a to prominent bass. In my small room I do have a problem with 54Hz bass. I had this problem in the same amount with my former Sonneteer and Rega amps. The INT is no different in that aspect.

I use digtal EQ to reduce 54Hz bass. Works well enough.

Recently upgraded my Pioneer N-30 streamer to Aries Mini. Big difference in spaciousness.

Thanks a lot @devilboy that's really helpful! And impressive concerning the INT...

Would you say that you had any issue with the bass being prominent as one user mentioned in his review on stereo.net.au?

Also, could you please let us know the speakers you used for your comparisons?

Enjoy!

Impressive! So the six moons review wasn't just an anomaly.

Integrating components is definitely a growing trend and,  let's face it, makes a lot of sense. So much money is wasted on box bling and additional cabling and manufacturers might actually know a thing or two about matching pre and power amp sections (or amps and drivers in the case of dynamic speakers).

I'll be getting an INTegrated soon then, and will try not to worry about DAC-upgraditis for a few years. Thanks @devilboy !

I'm going to change my component list and pictures in my "virtual system" soon, just have to get time. 
I sold off so much stuff going to the INT that I actually have room in my rack for my tv's cable box. 
GASP!.....non audio related components in an audio rack?........Sacrilege.

Okay, let me try this one more time. For some reason audiogon isn't allowing me to type a response on my computer so I have to do it via cell phone. Forgive me in advance for any grammatical errors as I do not feel like going back in correcting my phone's spell check. I simply don't have the patience for it. I have a lot to say regarding the similarities and differences between the job integrated and the separates I used to own. I will not go in-depth as much as I would like because again, this is from a phone. If anyone has any questions, you can p.m. me

Let me say first that I don't want to over inflate the INT (going forward, I will refer to the INT as the "integrated" ....again, the spell check on my phone), to this Almighty giant killer. You may listen to it and disagree with my over-enthusiastic opinion. The integrated was fed digital via my Audiophellio 2 sub/spdif converter with outboard power supply. I still have not tried going directly into the integrated via USB. I was more concerned about comparisons to the separates, not so much the A2 vs. The integrated's USB input. All of my impressions are versus the Metrum hex, Tortuga passive preamp, job 225, and between them all were the high diamond D9 and D7 interconnects. So we have $1,700 up against $9,500 ish if you include two power cords versus just one for the integrated. I put about 300 hours on the integrated before writing this message.

I must say, I missed nothing of the separates. Not one bit actually. When I first listened critically I was actually looking for a flaw Kama something to say, the separates do this or that, better. But no, in fact I think the integrated has more air and is more open than the separates. This was my number one concern about going this route. I even emailed Srajan telling him of my concern regarding this. He basically told me I needn't worry. I've sent emailed him again which he has posted on his letters feedback page, telling him I stand corrected. I simply don't understand how this three in one piece has more air and transparency then the separates. And that's not the only thing, I think the integrated is somehow more articulate in the mid-range and bass. It has that same job attack, which I love. Highs are extremely detailed, and like Srajan said in his review, the integrated is actually warmer and more mellow than said separates.

I'm shaking my head as to how this is possible, especially considering the price. The integrated has three sections sharing one power supply. I have been in this for a while and have spent an enormous amount of money over 20 years so let's face it, $1,700 isn't much in this madness we are in. Even if and I mean IF the separates were slightly better than the integrated, I would still keep the integrated and sell off everything else for two reasons. Number one, I cannot justify the price difference. Number too, this system is so simple now. Less crap and clutter.

So, money aside, I still prefer the INT  over the separates. It's warmer, more articulate, more Airy and open (this still baffles me), and I was able to sell off my other stuff and get money back.

Hello everyone - I am quite interested in the Job INT to drive my ATC SCM19s but it is still very hard to find detailed information / feedback.

Of course there is the amazing review from 6moons but - to me at least - it is too good to be true... And I have read everything I could find on audioshark.org and stereo.net.au.

Devilboy, any news on your comparisons?

Anyone else who bought the INT and could provide feedback? Anything with ATCs would of course be particularly helpful.

Thanks a lot!

Good question, zizione.
Also, I haven't forgotten about this thread. I will post my comparisons of the INT vs Hex, Tortuga and 225 soon.

Hello, has anyone been able to compare the Job INT with the Metis 7 side by side ?

thanks

Wanted to chime in to see how anyone that has the Job Integrated feels about it. I think I was one of the first that had it but had to sell it : (

Very good, another comparison with a Metrum Hex!
I've settled with the Job INT and sold my Sonneteer Alabaster and Metrum Octave. Especially when playing softly I think the INT is more pronounced as the Sonneteer. I like it.

My INT arrived and is burning in on the floor with a cdp on repeat.
I will compare it to my current setup: Metrum Hex, Tortuga LDR passive and Job 225. Interconnects are Hidiamond D9 and D4.  
I'm also demoing a John Hillig modified Hafler dh200 from Musical Concepts.
Stay tuned.....

Apologies have still to setup in my other system. As I said above the differences in inputs was significant in my system but I won't be using a turntable anyway…..hope you get some answers

Would be interested in hearing experiences users have had with the analogue in.

Is the signal altered enough to rule it out?
Is this a 'non-turntable' integrated?

Very interested in continuing to read feedback on the INT.  Looks promising to use for a bedroom setup paired with my ModWright Oppo 105. 

I just put an order in for the INTegrated.  We'll see how it stacks up against my separates.

Yup I just got the Job Integrated- actually from Jeff who wrote about it on the Stereonet site. We tested it on old SF Electra Amator 1 fed by Ayon CD 3S against the Rogers EHF-200(2). The reviews are correct the analogue inputs lose a lot but fed direct from digital out to coax in was very very good even against the much more expensive Rogers. No glare or steely sound in highs and bass is tight. The magic is in the soundstage and midrange where it lights from within - here it actually bested the Rogers though overall the Rogers is a tad cleaner, more open and even-handed across the sound spectrum. Actually my intention is to use it in another system of Rega Planet 2000 CD, Boenicke W5SE speakers - so will report back after that. There is no way for this money one could be disappointed. The 6 moons review - when is that guy going to learn to write for the average person and not a group of hippies? - is a tad biased but generally speaking correct. If you buy the unit use the digital input!!

Anyone else compare the INT to high quality separates? 

Happy with the Job INT between Pioneer N-30 streamer and Penaudio Cenya speakers. Any one else got the INT at home?

But hey, IF it is, I'd sell everything off and pocket the rest.

The preamp section of the INT is active but the biggest turnoff for me is its digital volume control. Plus, I believe it only has one input. Even if it had two inputs, the thought of digitizing my vinyl is a deal breaker for me. 
Personally. I think It would be redundant to use an outboard dac with the INT. So if somone wants to simplify or sell everything off, then this seems like the best 3 in 1 on the market today (at a reasonable price anyway). 
I just find it very difficult to believe that it will be just as good as the Hex, Tortuga, 225 separates.

How quiet is the INT? The nice thing of using a passive like the Tortuga with the 225 is the quiet background. I've never owned an integrated so I'm not familiar if the built in preamp section is typically passive or active.

I loved the sound of the 225 so this all in one with what appears to have a great dac section as well looks really appealing...

@devilboy yes shorter signal paths and gear that's optimized to work together also, you can't discount that. Not to mention, sometimes stuff just sounds better than other stuff common sense or laws of physics be damned! ;)

Delivery is on thursday 14/1/16. Burn in will follow. Then  I'll compare Metrum Octave + Sonneteer Alabaster to the INTegrated. 

A few weeks ago I had a Rega Elex-R to compare with the Alabaster. The Rega didn't have the advantage. The Alabasters seems to be the quickest of them both. 

I have hopes for the INTegrated. But I don't know what to expect.

What I don't get is, Srajean said when fed a digital signal, the INTegrated is just as good as a Metrum Hex, passive pre, and the 225. In some ways, better. 
I have the Hex, Tortuga LDR passive and the 225.
Now, I'm no scientist or engineer, but common sense tells me you can't beat the laws of physics. How can a 3 in 1 which shares the same power supply for everything, be better than the 3 pieces mentioned? Ok, shorter signal paths and other benefits, etc. 
It just doesn't make sense.
Actually hoping Srajean chimes in here, which he has done in the past.

Now 6moons speaks highly of the integrated dac and comparing it to the Metrum Hex my Job INTegrated is on it's way! 

You already know through your own personal past experience with the 225 and the rave reviews that continue to come in world wide that the Job is a no brainer. Congratulations on your worth while investment!

Aussie user review.
http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php/topic/92705-job-int-integrated-amplifier-review/

Aussie user review.

I´m also tempted to pull the trigger but still hesitating a bit.

Personally I wouldn´t need any other inputs than the ones which come with the DAC (USB, Toslink, SPDIF).

Therefore I´m keen to get some more information about the DAC.

@ Djverne: do you know by chance what kind of DAC is used in the INT?
And are you regretting that you don´t have your JOB/Pre/DAC combo anymore (soundwise compared to the INT)?

I almost pulled the trigger on the INTegrated. The thought of digitizing my vinyl turned me off though. Had a 225, foolishly sold it. Now I'm picking up a used 225 at FedEx this afternoon....(hee hee). I have a Tortuga LDR on order. I'm sure the INTegrated sounds sweet.

nothing is as transparent as the allmighty Light Speed Attenuator lol..not for under 15 grand at least/so i have heard.

The Metrum has more texture/thick bass aka thump

Would it be correct to say though that the internal DAC may be better than the Metrum?

Therefore, digital source => Job would sound better than digital source => Metrum DAC => Job?

As such, it may be possible that a better DAC through the analog input would sound better, assuming that the AD/DA section of the Job is relatively transparent. After all, Goldmund equips its pre-amps with digital outputs for use with the Telos 360 etc amps so the DA section must be up to scratch, one would think.