K-horn won't fit, any other corner speakers recommended for a big room?
I am dealing with two very small corners in a fairly large room that I want to fill with a very open and transparent sound. I currently have a set of VonSchweikert VR3's in the corners and they sound great on the bottom end, but are lacking the resolve that I am looking for on the top end. I would like something that is a little less laid back. As mentioned in the title, I would love to put in a set of Klipschorns but there is a window at each corner that will not allow a K-horn to fit without covering the window. This is a fairly big room (22 x 30 x9) with three walls of windows and large opening at the back of the room that goes to the kitchen. Due to WAF, the two corners on the 22' wall are the only locations that are acceptable and yes, my VR3's are about 20' apart. My listening zone is at about 24-25' away so it works out ok but soundstage and imaging does suffer because of this. My thoughts are that speakers that are meant to load off the corners of the room and aim towards the center (K-horn) is the correct path for me. In a perfect world, I would be able to enjoy them at 12' away as well as 24' away. Currently, my setup actually sounds better at 24'. Does anyone have suggestions for speakers that are meant to go into a corner or very close to corners? Ideally, I'd love to get a pair of Maggies because I have always loved them when set up correctly, but I don't know how I could make them work well within my constraints. One last comment, I still have small kids at home so the wife needs to stay in case that was Option 1. Anyone ever had this problem to deal with and did you ever solve it?
I agree with @mrdecibel Tight in corners is no good for any heritage speaker except a khorn. Even the cornwalls can benefit from being a ft or so away from walls. My LaScalas are a couple of feet away from the corners (where the subs reside) and they sound just grand. So my suggestion is for a Cornwall IV if khorns or lascalas are a no go.
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I have not heard the new Khorn other than in a corner, so I cannot say from my own listening experience, if they were to be excellent set up in free space, away from all walls and corners. But I speak to many Klipsch and Khorn owners ( I am talking about the new AK6 ), and none are using them far from the corners, based on their listening preference. However, based on my readings and research, the dog house on the new Khorns are ( just imo ), designed like a slot loaded sub, kind of like the older Janis W1 and W3 subwoofers, designed by John Marovskis ( I believe this is the spelling ). I met him at his Bronx warehouse on 2 occasions, once for a pair of W1s, and another for a pair of W3s. Read up on the design. If I am wrong about this, so be it, as I have been wrong once or twice before...lol. To answer @kren0006, my description of what happens ( from my own listening ) when placed in a corner, is true on all Klipsch ( again except Khorn ), and, most speakers. Corners are acoustically problematic, ime....but, if the corners are the only place for speaker location, get the speaker that has all of the other attributes you are looking for, as nothing will be optimum in a corner, but can still be enjoyable. My best, and enjoy ! Always, MrD. |
@speed005 did you ever make a move? @audiokinesis absolutely! I am a proud owner of 7pi corner horns, and I’ve never heard anything so relaxed and smooth, yet dynamic and punchy ant the same time (in my typical domestic settings) They put my floor to ceiling line (full range) arrays to shame in the way of “punch and drama”… The arrays do have their advantages though…just completely different.
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@speed005 , A system in that room will always be for background music. There is no way you will get anything close to acceptable performance in a room like that especially with that kind of speaker placement. Having said that you can stick any speaker you want in that location. If you want a system for serious listening you will have to work with another room in the house. |
@mijostyn , It's funny to read your comments and advice because you are dead on correct and that is exactly what I found to be true. Listening in that room turned out to be for background music and replacing the VSA VR3's with a pair of Canton Karat M80dc pulled out of the corners and some precise toe in did the trick. I think the MTM setup and the small baffle helped to get the dispersion wide enough and far enough to get the soundstage closer to what I was looking for in that room. I recently added a pair of passive subs to the room to help fill in for low level background listening and this helped a lot. I am currently building a new listening room in the basement for my critical listening system. I have a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagio's on deck for that room. I am also looking at a Bob Carver VTA20s tube amp to power them, used of course. I am not finding many customers with reviews of this amp. I'm not sure if it's because it was a budget friendly tube design or because it wasn't produced for very long or because of the Emotiva connection. Anyone have much experience with this amp? I'm looking to get into tubes and thought this may be a good entry level starter, but the lack of users has me concerned. |
