When I first had my 5000's, I hadn't listened to fine stereo in quite awhile and naively placed them near my wall (glass windows actually) towards the corners. I thought they sounded great of course, not having had a reference point for many years. I upgraded some components and following mapman's suggestions began moving them out from the rear windows and in from the corners. Now that I have them where I want them, I've reached a point of supreme satisfaction such that I don't wish to move them further. It's hard to explain in words, but when one reaches the correct placement it's a bit like discovering resonance; that is, you suddenly say to yourself, now THAT'S sweet. I find that I forget about right speaker/left speaker as it becomes completely irrelevant.
As to you setup, become comfortable with what you have for 6 months or so before changing or upgrading components. That way the previous experience will be well drilled into your memory. For me, adding a more powerful amp helped the low end, but these are 5000's and yours may be quite happy with what you have. The other big, big difference for me with vinyl was adding a step up transformer to the MC cartridge before feeding into the MM input. It just revealed the bass in the vinyl. Oh yeah, the speaker placement helped with that too. |
A few comments for Rbf1138: I agree with all the recent posts here. I would add emphasis on the break in period. When I got my new 2000s, the timbre of intruments was amazing right out of the box, but many other aspects of the sound developed over time. They had broken in enough by the end of the trial period for me to decide to keep them, but they continued to smooth out and become more dynamic for a number of months afterwards. Also, make sure the Ohms are level, and level with each other. And toe-in is counterintuitive on Ohms: Toeing them in reduces the treble output of the tweeter at the listening seat, while toeing out increases it. I have settled on a slight toe-in, but I am sure some would say the treble rolls off too much. I like it that way - I still get excellent detail reteival, but no fatigue from over-bright recordings.
I own the Neko Case CD "Fox Confessor Brings the Flood" and it is a marvelous, well recorded disc that really shows off my Ohms. I brought it to a local Hi-Fi club one time to use as a demo and lots of my audiophile buddies were asking to see the case so they could buy it.
My Ohms made sense of many recordings that had sounded horrible on my Vandersteen 1Cs. One example is the Gladiator soundtrack. This can sound like garbage on systems that are too forward in the upper-mids, dry, that lack resolution, or that compress at high SPLs. On my system, with the Ohms, the recording is indeed as good as Harry Pearson says it can be - very dynamic, detailed, and full of diverse orchestral textures. I can't count the number of pinched, congested, over-bright rock recordings that finally became listenable with the Ohms. My hunch is that the lack of a crossover in the midrange or upper-midrange at least contributes to this wonderfull quality. It's great to choose recordings based on one's preference, without being limited to audiophile-approved recordings (which sound incredibly good on the Ohms). |
There are a few recordings that IMHO show the Ohm imaging trick off to great effect:
You might want check ' em out and see if any click for you. If so, pick one up for early listening. I think any of these will give you a great sense of the Ohm effect at its most dramatic.
Alejandro Escovedo. With These Hands from the CD With These Hands
Original Cast Theme From Shaft
Lindsey Buckingham It Was You from the CDUnder The Skin
Duke Ellington Far East Suite pretty much all tracks
Joan Armatrading Love and Affection from Track Record
These recordings (among many, many others) really allow the Ohm to "light up" the front of the room and create the sense of a performance space within your listening room. It's very cool and a lot of fun.
Marty |
Rbf1138,
I've got my Ohms in black finish, and thet look great. Another thing I wanted to say that the Ohms, properly set up, seem to use the room to their advantage, and when the room and speakers are interacting properly, wonderful things happen. I've never heard a speaker that turns the whole room into an immersive soundscape the way the Ohms can, and can fill the room at low as well as high volume. This is one of the qualities that I love about the Ohms. Much of my listening is done while the rest of the house sleeps, so I have to listen at lower volumes, but because of the way the Ohms fill the room, I never feel like I'm missing out. The soundstage remains intact, and the performance still sounds full bodied, but just a bit more distant. Hope you love the Ohms. I will give you a list of possible cd's to use for set up, and ones that make the Ohms really shine in another post. Joe |
Well, my kids have an xbox and Wii between them but neither hooked up to my audio systems or OHMs.
I have played various sound effects available via Squeezebox Touch off the internet and gotta say sound effects that you might be familiar with in nature or society make for some very interesting reference sound sources.
My bigger OHM 5s (only ones I have tried) ace the test in this regard. Locomotives sound like locomotives. Thunderstorms like Thunderstorms. Birds like birds. running water like running water. With eyes closed, I'd venture to say it was hard to tell the difference, even at seemingly fairly realistic volumes. Its a real eye/ear opener.
Micros are much smaller but I would expect fairly similar performance is possible at least in a smaller room.
Hold tight. I hope things can live up to the high expectations! |
Well, sounds like my black wood finished Talls aren't gonna ship till next week. This thread will be the one thing to tide me over until I can finally hear them myself.
Have you ever played videogames with the Ohms? Eventually I'll probably go with a real 5.1 setup, but I'm curious how they do with modern videogame sound effects. |
Joefish nailed it!
At first its largely about getting the right "focus" and allowing initial break in. Once it sounds as Joe describes, then you assess what tweaks if any might be applied upstream to take things to a higher level. I've found once dialed in that the OHMs will respond to most all common tweak types that knowledgeable listeners might recommend. That can be anything from maxing out performance with the amp, tweaking the sound via a pre-amp, or even via ICs, cleaner power, etc. |
Rbf1138,
In my own experience, correct placement of the Ohms is like "getting them in focus". They will sound pretty good where ever you put them, but to hear what makes them special, getting them in the right position is essential. I'd move both speakers one inch at a time and then sit and listen for a while before I made another adjustment. It took about three weeks until I accidently hit the right spot, and Bingo! All of a sudden, it sounded like the room and speakers were working as one, giving me a sonic landscape that still brings a smile to my face. You'll have to experiment. If the bass sounds too loose, move them closer together, too much bass, move them further away from the back wall, ect. I actually hade fun doing this, as I was eager to hear the Ohm magic that I had read about in this thread and in independent reviews. A little patience and perseverance will pay off handsomely. And don't forget, they take some break in, so they may sound a bit reserved and stuffy at first, but will open up more with time. Joe |
I'm just salivating waiting to get mine. Out of curiosity, does the wrong placement make them sound like bad, cheap speakers, or does the wrong placement merely not give the full, intended sound? All I really have to compare them to directly in my home will be Audioengine 5 active speakers, and my Epos ELS3 bookshelves. |
Agree with Joefish.
When I fist got my newer OHMs, I did not get the sound at all at first, despite having owned original Walsh 2s for 25 years.
Then once I tweaked placement a bit it was like lightbulb going off. YEs that's it! Night and Day. I am not exaggerating. |
Rbf,
If you go back to your original post of the mwt's vs the vandersteens, you'll find my post about fine tuning your set up. I discovered this accidentally when I was moving the speakers around. I moved them out from the wall for the best bass, and then when I started moving them away from the side walls, when I hit 33 inches off the side walls, I had walked out of the room to do something, and when I came back and turned the music back on, it sounded like the whole room had become a speaker. I was stunned, and said "This is what they're supposed to sound like". This technique worked with both the mwt's and my current 1000's. The sound just permeates the room. I find it very appealing and addictive. The Ohms also , to me, sound more like a performance than a recording, and that's what seperates them from all the other speakers that I've heard.
As far as upgrading your current equipment, I have my 1000's paired with a modest 100 wpc Yamaha reciever and a Sony DVD/CD player and the sound is impressive. I decided to put more money into the speakers and upgrade my electronics later. Believe me, even with modest associated equipment, the Ohms sound amazing. Keep us informed of your progress, and we will try to help you with any questions or problems you may have. Good Luck Joe |
The OHM is a unique design due largely to its use of the wave bending wide range Walsh driver.
The omni presentation combined with ability to be placed relatively close to walls if needed is probably the most unique feature.
Second is the wide range omni Walsh driver covers most of the audio range where music occurs with one driver. That results in a highly coherent room filling sound that is distinctive.
It will not sound like any other speaker exactly. Few speakers sound exactly alike so a choice based on preference must be made. More so with the OHM because it is so unique. Audio is all about making choices that best suit your needs. The thing with the OHMs is that if you like what it does, there is really not much else out there like it to choose from. Decware has a speaker at a good price point that appears somewhat similar. THat is about it. There are other omnis and other speakers that use Walsh driver technology but those cost a lot more. |
One of the things about this speaker that just calls to me is summed up when John Potis writes that "...these Walsh speakers are designed for those who want to enjoy their music while they live their life." That really appeals to me. I don't generally listen to music just sitting in one spot and concentrating (analytical?). For that I use headphones. The purpose of these speakers will be to have music playing in our livingroom while we have dinner, when we come home from work, when we have friends over, etc. While we LIVE! The idea that they'll sound pretty great just filling a room is so appealing, and when I go audition other speakers and the salesmen have me sit in a specific seat and insist that I not get up and move around the room to make an assessment defeats my purpose for buying speakers in the first place. |
I bought my first Walsh 2s in 1982.
Circa 1986 or so, when I got a real job and some money, I started a fling with Magnepans and kept both until about 3 years ago. I also added a pair of B&W P6s and Triangle Titus along the way in that my house is wired for audio in multiple rooms.
The Maggies were kings until about three years ago when I got upgrade fever again. The Maggies and Walsh 2s were both 20 years old + by then.
I sampled everything at all price points. Read some reviews of the latest OHMs and decided to try them. The rest is history. Others sound nice but the OHMs sound like music and rule.
If that makes you feel any better.
Hey even Christy Brinkley's husband was not satisfied. Go figure! There are always plenty of fish in the sea. |
Rbf,
Here's the good news:
You're about to experience omnidirectional loudpeakers - and very fine examples of the breed, as it happens. I think almost all listeners are initially struck by the unique spatial presentation characteristic of this design approach. IME, many people immediately fall in love with it, but a few do not. Since the Ohms are sold with an in-home/money back trial period, you'll quickly ascertain which side of the fence you fall on, with limited economic risk.
As to some people bailing after enjoying the speakers for a period of time, well....welcome to the world of audio hobbyists. There are many different ways that manufacturers "skin the cat" and no single approach covers every base. After some period of time, it's not uncommon to want to try something a bit different than what you've been living with...even if you've still got a good thing going.
There's always a certain excitement inherent in something new.
In your case, at the moment, your new relationship will be with the Ohms. If it's a fling, send 'em back. If it feels like a keeper, keep 'em. As to whether or not that lovin' feeling fades over time, I suspect that you'll just have to wait and see.
Congrats on the purchase!
Marty
(Now going on year 5 with Ohm 100s and not looking around, except for the ocassional glance at MBLs). |
No worries. In the past 6 years, I've listened to many high end headphones. I've got the MWT short lately and these sounded extremely good. The vocal, soundstage and imaging is better than any pair of headphones I've heard. |
They're on their way to me next week, so I'll definitely be trying them, at the very least.
Out of curiosity, any of you Ohm owners in the Atlanta area? |
Rbf1138,
Don't take my selling of the Ohms too much to heart. I ultimately decided, I think, that the "omni" presentation of the Ohms wasn't my cup of tea. It may in part be because my room was so "lively" and untreated at the time that it was doing injustice to what the Ohm's can do. I decided that I preferred the "pinpoint" presentation of a more conventional, forward firing speaker. But the MWT's are a steal at their price and you owe it to yourself to try them. |
Getting to the part of this thread where Rebbi decides to sell his Ohms is like your favorite character on a tv show suddenly being killed off. I totally didn't see it coming! What's worse is that it made me second guess the speakers, without even having heard them yet. Prior to that happening, it seemed like these were, hands down no question, the best speaker under $2-3000. I know feel that I need to try out some PSB Synchrony 2s, if Rebbi ultimately decided those could slay the mighty Ohms.
Now I see Frazeur has his MWTs up for sale on another site. Maybe I missed it, but why are you selling them?! |
"What do the MWTs most resemble as far as headphone brand/style?"
Probably the more neutral sounding ones with flatter frequency response, which I have seen several models of the brands you mention have been measured to achieve.
But its is really hard to compare speakers to headphones because they are so different. Room acoustics play a big part usually with speakers but not with headphones.
OHMs are bottom ported and most I have heard with no bottom plinth can interact strongly with floors, especially those in upper levels built with plywood as is typical in most homes. I use a slate tile under each of my 100s to tame that in my second system where it occurs. The 1000 series OHMs all have the solid wood plinth below which I think is a good thing to help inherently tame that.
I have always found many smooth and hard roon surfaces, hard wood flooring in particular to be quite lively and echo prone and harder to tame in general in regards to the room acoustics with most any speaker. In these cases, I think less, ie a smaller speaker like the Micros, can be more. |
One other question...I've mainly been into headphones the last few years, and have owned Grados, Denons, Sennheisers, Westones, Audio Technicas and have settled on Beyerdynamic 880s and AT CK10s for the last year. What do the MWTs most resemble as far as headphone brand/style? |
RBF,
The Radiohead CDs are a very good test to determine if an amp is underpowered for your needs. They will sound like c--- on a poor and/or underpowered system, especially at higher volume, but a good system can take them to great heights indeed! |
"Anyone here ever listen to any of these records on their Walshes?"
Mine tend to bring out the best of whatever there is in the recording.
I have Abbey Road and both Radioheads. Both are treats in different ways. Those two Radiohead CDs are two very good challenge CDs for any rig. With the right amp and a good source feed, the OHMs can blow the roof off.
I have the BEck also but do not recall details as well but I believe it to be mostly a pretty good recording also.
I think I have the Massive Attack. Will need to check. Not sure about the sound quality on that one offhand.
I have other Beach Boys CDs with songs from PS but not PS proper. You should be in for a treat. On my current rig, those sound far and beyond way better than what I had recalled prior.
Lots of good audio candy in there! |
Until last week, I hadn't heard speakers that cost more than around $1000. I imagine these Ohms are gonna be another level of music than I've been exposed to before. It's difficult to read this thread and not be prepared to absolutely love them.I'd be curious to know how many people actually end up returning them!
As far as what I plan on playing through them right after setting them up, it'll probably be something like:
Radiohead- In Rainbows/Kid A
Beck- Sea Change
Field Music- Measure
Beach Boys- Pet Sounds
The Beatles- Abbey Road (remaster)
The Cardigans- Long Gone Before Daylight
Neko Case- Fox Confessor Brings the Flood
Joanna Newsom- Ys
Gillian Welch- Harvest and the Harrow
Charlotte Gainsbourg- IRM
Massive Attack- Heligoland
Anyone here ever listen to any of these records on their Walshes? |
ALways go one step at a time and take time to assess before taking the next.
You will be well set with amp, DAC and speakers once you make the decision on the speaks.
Do everything you can to get the Peachtree and OHMs dialed in as perfectly as possible using your available digital sources. Then assess for a while and see what if anything else is needed.
Then once you have a good reference based on the digital sources, which you are much better positioned with than with the vinyl at present I am fairly certain, you can focus on the vinyl as needed. |
Now that I've read through this whole thread and ordered my MWTs, I turn to all you OHMers for some advice and guidance. I'm extremely new to all of this, and admittedly know very little about the technical aspects of amps, speakers, preamps, sources, etc. and all of the accompanying lingo. At this point, I have a very basic and inexpensive setup. My sources are a Macbook Pro optical out, Xbox 360/PS3, and a $100 Audio Technica turntable. While I own hundreds of CDs, at this point I primarily play flac files using the MBP. I have the Peachtree Nova integrated amp w/ DAC as the centerpiece.
The first components I'd imagine upgrading would be better cables and interconnects, and then to get a phono stage and a better turntable.
Seeing as how the Nova's pre and dac are fairly well-regarded, I would like to just add a better amp into the chain, retaining the Nova as the core.
Do any of you have any advice, especially as far as making a big impact in the short term without spending too much? Having just dropped the money on the speakers, I'll have to wait awhile before the bigger things (phono stage, turntable, amp, etc.).
I'm so freakin excited to hear these things! |
It's conculsion made perfect sense: The ohms you should absolutely listen, but be careful: Once in the ear, is the way far back and not easy". |
"What is the SE? "
I'm guessing the latest microwalsh that may use different drivers than before (just plain Microwalsh?) similar to 1000 series. Not certain though. Maybe someone else knows for sure? |
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Just read the German review of the Walsh 1000. The translation sounds akin to a drunken pub crawler. Of what I could understand, the review was very favorable, but needs a better translation Joe |
So after reading through most of this thread (and having auditioned several other speakers in the last week) I went ahead and ordered the MWT SE's! I'm incredibly excited to get them next week.
I should say that the others I've heard were PSB T6s, Vandy 1C, KEF Q900, Rega RS3 and RS5 and finally Wharfedale 10.7s.
Of those, my favorites are the Wharfedales. If for some reason I'm not loving the MWTs I'll probably buy those. They just had such a great midrange, a not-too-tight but not-too-bloated bass, and highs that didn't fatigue or feel too bright (as the Regas seemed to have).
As I've noted in another thread around here, they'll be driven by a Peachtree Nova integrated(which John noted many of his customers use), with main sources being the optical out of my Macbook Pro, xbox360/ps3, and a turntable.
This is really the start of my system, so in the future I imagine I'll add a better amp, a better turntable and better cables/wires. I'm sure I'll be back in this thread for all of that.
And, of course I'll be sure to report here as soon as I receive them! |
Mapman I had to chuckle over that translation. It's almost as if it makes sense but not quite. I think that he liked them though. Maybe I'll get my son to translate (he's a German major in college) and see how he does. |
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There's a news flash now on the OHM site:
"IN THE NEWS
May 14, 2012
Thank You Germany.
The Walsh 1000s received a fine review in Germany and we are expecting to have a good translation very soon.
We are running about 10-15 working days for standard orders. Custom jobs are always welcome."
I've been very interested to hear how OHM does in Germany, what with the mbls, GPs, and other high tech companies there.
Economic forces could be just right these days to enable an American Product to compete against the GErman big boys on their own turf. I guess we may find out soon. |
Moon, I always kind of dig around for any omni speaker, omni's just seem to do it for me more than any other speaker, yet I can enjoy about any type, planar, dynamic or whatever. I guess ever since hearing my first Ohm Walsh of the CLS kind in the early 80's, they have just managed to stick.
The Decware ERR definately looks interesting though, and if I don't get over to Peoria, Illinois to hear them soon, I may go over in the fall to their annual "Decfest" to give them a good listen. I was planning on going last fall, but some unexpected things came up and I couldn't go.
I am really curious how the ribbon tweeters sound with this combination, and am also curious about the overall bass response of this speaker. The cabinetry and grills look very nice, with that Ohm pyramid look, which I do love. We shall see. Tim |
Bondman, it's a fair point, all the instrument fundamentals are well within the "Walsh" driver's range so the prospect of hearing that kind of seamlessness is mouthwatering.
Tim...many thanks for the Decware info. There is some very unusual design work going on there. An extraordinary looking speaker. I've often wondered if someone had tried to deploy ribbons atop an omni....now we know! :) |
Blue OHMs...sounds perfect for some Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Lynyrd Skynrd, Zeppelin, etc.... |
I'm now committed to buying a pair of MWTs. although the veneer looks very nice, John is willing to make a one off pair in a color, if i supply the paint. Anyone ever done an ohm in a solid color?
Any solvent based paint suggestions would be appreciated, looking to do a dark blue....
As John said very well, "can always paint em black if you get tired of the color" |
Not to take away from the Ohm thread here, but I also wanted to note another speaker I have wondered about now for a couple of years-mainly the tweeter in particular, is the Ikonoklast 3, 5, 7 models. This tweeter reminds me so much of the tweeter used on one of the older Infinity speakers-can't recall the model right off. The Infinity tweeter I believe was a Walsh tweeter-or a variation of it anyway. Anyway, take a google and check it out. I had sent Warren a few e-mails not long ago about these. Very nice and informative. Tim |
By the way, for another interesting omni, check out the Decware ERR speaker. One currently available for sale here on the 'Gon. It is similar in appearance to the older Ohm cabinets, but the tweeter is a ribbon and uses Decware's own twist on the main radial driver. A passive radiator is in place in the bottom of the cabinet. I have really wanted to listen to this speaker, need to take a little trip to Peoria someday and check it out, very intriguing! Extremely nice cabinets/quality too. The guys at Decware are top-notch too. Just another alternative. Tim |
Moonglum, yes it is indeed, some recordings like the one I was listening to from the Who sounded way to overblown, but let's face it, it is a fairly old recording too. Most of the time I find both the Ohm MWT's and my 3/3000's to be just right with image height overall.
Map, I too feel the same way, when I just want to sit back and totally relax, the Ohm's are the way I go. Sometimes though, it is very recording dependant and the mood. It is hard to take off the "analytical" hat sometimes.
Bond, I agree, John does know how to voice a speaker, no doubt. Speaking of messing with the drivers, I have a pair of original 3XO drivers and I have been tempted to do some playing myself, but in the end, I just let it be. Even the older original drivers are very good, in some ways maybe even better-dare I say that(ready for flame suit)? |
Moonglum: I suspect I would be pleased with my 2000s even without the subs. I had the Vandersteen subs prior to the Ohms, and I remain infatuated with their ability to play deep, tuneful and powerful bass with no boominess, bloat or overhang. For that reason, when I set out to upgrade from Vandersteen 1C mains, I insisted on speakers that would work with the 2Wq subs (basically, any speaker that has good output down to 40Hz). Since the bigger Ohms go even deeper, you will be fine without a sub.
As for the issues arising from running the Walsh driver nearly full-range, I see this as a huge advantage over other speakers. Speakers that are crossed over in the critical midrange or a bit higher usually dissappoint me. There is something special about a speaker that has no crossover in the belly of the frequency curve. I have never liked full-range dynamic drivers, but the Ohm Walshes are quite different. I would think that their radiation pattern would eliminate any issues of beaming at higher frequencies. And, John Strohbeen just knows how to voice speakers, period.
I have wondered, however, what my 2000s would sound like with either a more expensive tweeter or different crossover. But I am reluctant to mess with what I consider a really terrific design. |
"My Magnepan with subs are maybe a bit more used as an analytical tool"
I tend to think the same way about the Dynaudio monitors that I also use. When one is exposed to more typical stereo "hifi" type sound normally all ones life, it can be hard to totally disassociate with that. But it seems I always levitate to the OHMs for the most pure musical enjoyment. |
Frazeur1...impressive indeed that the MWTs can generate an image as big as that! :) |
Phaelon.
BEautiful! I can see where that would work quite well in that size room, especially with the wood floors, which I have always found to be somewhat problematic acoustically including with OHM Walshes, especially the bottom ported CLS models.
I put 12" slate tiles under my "super" Walsh 2s with teh 100S3 drivers when I moved those to my family room on the second floor even with dense carpet and padding on the wood flooring material. Not an issue with any of my speakers when they reside in the basement with its similar carpeting but over the concrete foundation. Dealing with acoustics associated with the floor is definitely important, especially with bottom ported models. |
First link above got fouled up but the second one - to the photo of driver - is okay. Let's try again for pic of speakers with stands.
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb394/phaelon56/Audio%20Gear/IMG_0249-001.jpg |
I suspect it is indeed different with the F's. I tried them without the stands and found that unique spatiality to be a bit diminished. Seated on the couch or walking around... I find this height to be perfect for my ears and these drivers. Hope these links to Photobucket work. You'll need to cut and paste but the stands are in the first photo (before I added the concrete pads)
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http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb394/phaelon56/Audio%20Gear/IMG_0236.jpg |
Phaelon,
I'm not familiar with the 14" stands.
Does that elevate the driver 14" higher than just the F cabinets alone?
My 5s are in OHM refurbed and tweaked (now ported similar to other CLS models) F cabinets. I find this a good height for listening from a seated position in that tonality with CLS drivers seems to change unfavorably if listening from a position below the driver. I wonder if that is the case with F Walsh drivers, which I believe are also inherently taller than 5 CLS drivers as well? |
Phaelon56, yes consider yourself very blessed on your LeGall rebuilds. I have two friends that have had his work done on a pair of F's and a pair of 3XO's, and they both have said the same thing, swear by his work and ability to make things right. I had him redo some foams on my 3XO's a couple years ago, and again, great work and very reasonable. Would recommend him anytime. The last I had heard too was that he didn't want to do rebuilds on F's anymore. Shame, but I am sure it is for a good reason. Glad you are enjoying your F's! Tim |
I keep tweaking the position of my new F's slightly and playing a bit with other cheap tweaks. Now using two 18" square 2" thick concrete pads under each. The bottom pads have plastic/teflon coated furniture sliders under each corner and i have pieces of dense foam pipe insulation cut into rectangle and placed between the pads for isolation. Mine came with the original stands - which elevate the speakers about an extra 14". I was still concerned about the little round metal buttons under each corner of the stands so I put some small double up pieces if Dynamat under each corner - between the stands and the top pad. There was a bit of tightening in the bass but it got markedly when I stapled R-19 fiberglass insulation into the three basement ceiling joist spaces that are under the front end of the living room - where the speakers are located. I think the only remaining tweak will be some homemade tube traps or other room treatments.
Listened to Maiden Voyage on a out on loan from the library. Holy crap... that was recorded in 1964? The Verve engineers sure knew their stuff. it sounds as real and live as anything I've ever heard on speakers. I also dug out my copy of Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies album "American Metaphysical Circus." The opening track, Sub-Sylvanian Litanies, is by far the trippiest piece of music I have ever heard. It swirls and goes out beyond the edge of the speakers in a way that nothing else has - even more so than "And the Gods Made Love" from Electric Ladyland. I am just loving these speakers more every day and listening to more music of more genres than I have in years. Kudos to Bill LeGall for a phenomenal rebuild on these. I have the impression that he no longer rebuilds F's - and I feel blessed that I was lucky enough to get a pair that he did. |
