Pindac, What are you saying? Seems you are saying that if gain is insufficient, then your cartridge doesn't sound its best. Which is almost certainly true. Clearly, the ECC81 (also known as 12AT7) substitution produced overall phono gain that was not adequate, but it would help to know what was the tube type for which the phono stage was designed. Just because it is so commonly used in phono stages, I am going to guess it was the ECC83 (also known as 12AX7). If you did sub a ECC81 for a ECC83, it is no wonder that didn't work well. The ECC83 has over twice the gain of an ECC81, and also the latter tube requires more plate current than an ECC83 to sound its best. So you loaded the dice against the ECC81. If you then added a SUT to the input of the ECC81, perhaps that worked better, because you restored the missing gain. (I think you are also saying you run an LOMC cartridge into an MM phono stage, implying a stage with not more than 50db of gain and probably less, even when the input tube is the one for which the circuit was designed, plus or minus a SUT.) Other things, like phono input load impedance also change when you add or subtract a SUT, and that too affects SQ.
Running LOMC with MM (47K) loading
This is the way I run my Zyx 4D and my Benz Ebony L before it. I have a JLTi phono preamp which allows me to do this. I have been satisfied with this pre since buying it new. Yet I may be in the market for a new (Different) one. However some I have seen may not offer this ability. One that has great reviews also has the loading and gain all tied together. Not sure about Herron but it may be out of production. Not sure about others.
The question comes with @Atma-sphere comments on loading and circuit stability. He contends that the loading damps (stops) the cartridge cantilever from moving as freely as it was designed (my words) And it is better IF you can run with no loading. But that requires a stable circuit which not all have. Apparently my JLTi has a stable circuit because I have been running LOMC's this way for a 10-15 yrs.
That said, should I require this attribute to my next phono preamp? And might I be better off to send the JLTi to Joe Rasmussen (Allen Wright's partner) for upgrade to Pre and new Power supply?. That will be the cheapest and that is likely to be the step I take. However the question still exists. If the damping is as per Ralph's assessment, it would seem that the stability of the circuit is of greater importance than the ability to have a lot of loading options with unstable circuitry. Another question, Is loading a band aid for a circuit which is not at an optimum? I am not an electronic tech so I am not looking to stir the pot but for my own understanding Thanks
The question comes with @Atma-sphere comments on loading and circuit stability. He contends that the loading damps (stops) the cartridge cantilever from moving as freely as it was designed (my words) And it is better IF you can run with no loading. But that requires a stable circuit which not all have. Apparently my JLTi has a stable circuit because I have been running LOMC's this way for a 10-15 yrs.
That said, should I require this attribute to my next phono preamp? And might I be better off to send the JLTi to Joe Rasmussen (Allen Wright's partner) for upgrade to Pre and new Power supply?. That will be the cheapest and that is likely to be the step I take. However the question still exists. If the damping is as per Ralph's assessment, it would seem that the stability of the circuit is of greater importance than the ability to have a lot of loading options with unstable circuitry. Another question, Is loading a band aid for a circuit which is not at an optimum? I am not an electronic tech so I am not looking to stir the pot but for my own understanding Thanks
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