SET amps and speaker sensitivity.

Great thanks folks. I have a lot to learn. So is this where bi-amping comes into play. Can you bi-amp two lower output SET amps and pair those with less efficient speakers?

Cheers,
Peter

Peter,

I never think of biamping as a means of delivering more juice. Rather, I find that the biggest advantage derived from biamping is a significant increase in liveliness and microdynamics at lower volume. But, biamping is quite a complicated subject and good results can be quite tricky to achieve. I personally like the results I've heard from active biamping (a dedicated crossover that splits the signal at the line level before the signal is amplified by separate amplifiers). But, even when this was being done by someone who is experienced, it took a lot of experimentation and changes to the design of the crossover and even the amps to get optimal results. When not done right, the drivers don't blend correctly.

I think the better first course is to get amps suited to the particular speakers that you like/own. I would be less concerned with the operating type -- SET, or pushpull, etc.. I own an expensive SET, but, I don't think they are necessarily the best amps, and this is the case even with the fairly high efficiency speakers I own. I have heard some fantastic pushpull amps (e.g., 60-year old Western Electric amps) as well as several fantastic OTL amps (incredibly lively and upbeat sounding).

I know that getting enough power to properly drive a system is an important consideration. But, sometimes too much emphasis is placed on power. I have seen people pursue more and more power because something is lacking in the sound and they do not quite connect completely with the music/performance; these people think more power will do it. I have found that whenever I have made the right choice in improving my system, I tend to listen at lower volume than before -- I don't need volume to compensate for something else that is lacking. Good systems resolve musical detail, harmonic structure, etc. at low volume.

Maria

Forget bi-amping. The more simple a SET setup is, the better it is. SETs fall in the less-is-better genre.

I disagree with larryi in the sense that one needs to match speaker to an amp - select a SET amp and then find the speakers that will work with them.

Regards
Paul

Paul,

I agree that one does need to match speaker and amp (as well as linestage for that matter). But, there are so few speakers that work with some SETs, particularly 45s, and MANY high efficiency horn systems and single driver systems have very distinct colorations. If one is interested in SETs, I would still suggest first auditioning a variety of high efficiency speakers, and if one finds a speaker to one's liking, then finding an appropriate amp. Personally, I have heard so few currently-available high efficiency speakers that I could live with and a whole lot more amp choices that are acceptable. I personally don't HAVE to have a SET amp, although I really do appreciate the virtues of low-powered SETS; I just happen to have a speaker that does work with low-powered amps.

By the way, I heard a direct comparison of my Audionote Kageki amp with the Western Electric pushpull amp I mentioned above, and frankly the Western amp was dramatically better, but then again, it's four times as expensive.

My concern for someone who is just exploring this territory is that they not lock themselves into a particular technology to the exclusion of a broader exploration.

Here is a simple rule of thumb. Sensitivity of speakers is in dB/watt at a particular imoedance e.g. 8 ohm.
For every increase in 3dB, you need to double the power of your amp in watts.
E.g. Say you have a 91dB/w speaker. This means this speaker will putput 91dB at 1 watt and at 1 meter distance. To get 3dB additional output i.e. 94dB, you will need 2 watts. For 96dB, you will need 4 watts and 99 dB, you will need 8 watts etc.
Of course, you also have to look at the speakers impedance as this will vary with frequency. A speaker that drops to 2.ohm at low frequency will often sound bass light because SET amps usually have trouble driving below 4 ohms which mean that the power from the amp drops with low impedances.