Suggestions for a budget amp


Well, im thinking about upgrading my system (just started out and am still in high school so my budget is a major constraint). Basically im trying to build a sterio system that will last me until im out of college and have a "real" job. My current system includes NHT-SB3 speakers, Onkyo TX-8211 sterio reciever a sony CDP-CE275 cd changer, Furmann Q-2312 EQ, and blue-jeans cabling. Its my opinion that the Onkyo is what holds the system back the most at this point so im looking to replace it and fight the upgrade bug until i can afford it. I've looked at the Rotell RA-02 and the Nad C320Bee (the Nad is my favorite so far) but need more ideas (there HAVE to be more budget amps out there, right?). I also shopped around Yamaha's and Onkyo's sites, but their higher end stuff just adds more features, not much by the way of sound quality (from what i could tell by specs... may be wrong). Im looking for something that i can upgrade in stages down the line (i.e. unplugging the power amp section of a preamp and using a beefier seperate, or bi-amping... something like that). I dont need much power since ill be in dorm rooms or crowded appartments for the near future and even in my fair sized room now i rarely turn my 40 wpc Onkyo above 9:00 and its never been over 12:00. I listen to everything from Mozart to Metallica, except rap and pop. Even put in some country every now and then (I think its a law here in Texas ;-)
Thanks for your help,
-Dan-
dk89
C'mon man...for $350 you cant complain about the NAD cosmetics! It aint Classe...but very close...I used to own the 352...great amp...not much out there...
If one does not require a phono stage, I would strongly recommend the Jungson JA 88C. This integrated was selling last year around $400 and if it can be sourced at that price currently, it would certainly be worth looking into. At this stage it appears that North American distributors and dealers of Jungson have substantially raised retail prices-there is currently a "luxury edition" of the 88C advertised on Audiogon with a suggested retail price of $1000-$1200, a far cry from $400 which they were selling for a year ago (I picked mine up used for $325), and it appears that the retail on the 88D has been bumped up to the $2500 range.

I replaced an Audiolab 8000A with the Jungson 88C and it is in a TOTALLY different league. The Audiolab typically had a stellar reputation, and I don't think it would be unfair to say that its reputation put it in a much higher quality range than the NAD products, regardless of the praise they have garnered.

One thing I can tell you with absolute certainty is that the build quality and technical innovation built into the 88C (especially if you can still find one at $400) will put the NAD or pretty much any other similarly priced product to absolute shame. The sound quality is outstanding as well.
If you really want to get exotic, but still on the cheap, you may also want to look into Nohr amps.
-Bill
That's what I love about this site...Everyone's eager to spend someone else's money without much consideration to the bigger picture. Hey, DK89, do you really trust that type of advice?

If the money is burning a hole in your pocket, I'd recommend a turntable before a new receiver. Why? Well, wherever you go to college, I'll almost guarantee there will be a very cool record shop / used book store with stuff you won't be able to find on any other format than vinyl. You'll want that stuff. I lusted over vinyl during my college years with never the coin for a table (anyone heard of Vintage Vinyl in Evanston, Illinois?).

Also, there is a very good chance that your hardware will be damaged before you graduate from college. Be it from playing really bad music way too loud, a misplaced beverage, a football thrown to someone who isn't looking, or whatever. If you have too much coin in a system while at school, you may become paranoid about anyone touchin' your stuff (and trust me, when you're not around, it will be getting used). If it's too good, you may find it missing.

Change your priorities. The next few years will be about the music, not the equipment. Build your collection and never let it go.

As I wrote to the A5, "Every time I put on a CD or record, I'm not just taking in what the artist is trying to convey, but recalling the days gone by when this music made my life just a little bit better. Memories may fade for some, but my enduring music collection keeps them alive. It is this emotional connection to the *source material* that fuels my desire for the best reproduction technology I *care* (note the choice of words) to afford. Without the passion for the music, hardware is nothing more than a depreciating asset that takes up space and pisses off my wife."

Focus on the music, my friend. Not the hardware. There is plenty of time (and money) for that in the future. If you don't focus on the music now, you won't have the need for the hardware. $500 will buy you a lot of software.

Just so you know I bought my first receiver when I was 17. It was an Onkyo TX-820. It was basically on and playing my entire senior year of high school. I used it in my dorm my freshman and sophomore year. I lent it to my best friend my junior year (while I lived in my fraternity) and got it back for my senior year. I used it for the first 5 years after college, too. It took a 2-year vacation while I upgraded, but made a strong comeback after the birth of my son when it was placed (with a new pair of B&W DM302s) in his room where it has been (literally) powered up and playing music for the past 3 1/2 years - continuously. Don’t dismiss the Onkyo so quickly. You’ll be surprised to hear how many people have a similar story to tell about their Onkyo.

Just my advice...As always, take it or leave it.
Some NAD gear is really Onkyo guts on the inside ;)

You might add Creek 4330se to your list.