Susie Creamcheese, what’s got into you? 😩
Unbelievable
Yamaha really made this statement:
Glossy black piano finish provides improved signal-to-noise performance
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/speaker_systems/ns-5000/index.html
I thought I would seek opportunity to hear these speakers, but now I do not think so
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In the framework of "Signal to noise" which is a measurement, cabinet resonances are not noise, but could present as distortion. If you want to be pedantic magic pebble man, resonances induced that are not at the frequency of the stimulus will measure as distortion. If you are going to be pedantic, at least be right. The thread is about speaker finishings. Bringing up what happens in a cable is called lack of self control. |
geoffkait. You would like an apology? OK, here's one Mr Magic Atoms. I'm really sorry for exposing you for the fraudulent and tireless shill merchant that you are. Good enough? Anyway, back to question at hand, does Yamaha's claim stand up? "Glossy black piano finish provides improved signal-to-noise performance — and adds to the luxurious joy of ownership" Or is it simply marketing gumpf? I'm going with the former, because it's Yamaha and they build some great electric pianos, but a few cabinet resonance charts to back up their claim wouldn't hurt, would they? |
geoffkait, "cd318, as oft happens with you my post went over your head, which I’m beginning to suspect is a bit pointed. But don’t think I don’t appreciate the stalking. 🤗" In that case you won’t mind me wishing you the best of luck with your fishing in amongst the pools of all those poor unsuspecting audio newcomers. Just be careful with that all pseudo scientific magic atoms gobbledygook you’re using as bait! |
....and why does my 'puter keep throwing ads like this.... https://www.lvlyshe.com/Lace-Hollow-Out-Two-PC-Sets-p340426.html?currency_code=USD&utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=newvisitor ...on the sidebar?! I'd look horrible in that....and it's terribly distracting from the intelligent conversations I read in AG..... |
This will never get old ... Hello fuses, my old friend. Geoff has come to talk to you again. Because an electron softly creeping Induced a field while he was sleeping. And the direction, that was planted in his brain Still remains Outside the bounds of science With his Walkman he walked alone Through narrow hallways he calls home Neath the halo of the directional camp He dreams of cables but he has no amp And his eyes were stabbed by scattered laser light That CD wasn’t right It was outside the bounds of science And in the audio forums there he saw Ten thousand “philes”, maybe more “Philes” posting without considering That $15 for a $3 spring is price gouging “Philies” buying things, without even a care Because no one dared To question the bounds of science Robert said, ah you do not know Geoffkait’s posts, like a cancer grow Read his words that fail to teach you Collected thoughts designed to mislead you Because his words, like a teleportation tweak fail Or magic pebbles that are on sale Are outside the bounds of science |
You are quick with the insults pebble man, but useful information seems to elude you almost as much as you elude self control every time someone mentions digital, and you jump in with scattered laser light. I have to admit though, you aren't a one trick pony. You must be at least a 3 trick pony ... maybe you could be a busker. |
You used to being not too swift? How did you get used to being like that, going through life with that boat anchor around you .. or was it a bag of magic pebbles on the end of a rope? ... or a directional cable. Yup, that's it .... you are burdened by carrying around a heavy bag of magic pebbles on the end of a directional cable ... with nothing to plug it into, so you just tie it around your waist. |
roberttdid Amazing, you can take something that probably cost pennies in other industries (like impregnation varnishes and coatings for magnetics), put an audiophile sticker on it, and charge 10-100X. Love it! >>>>Of course you love it. You’re a pseudo skeptic. Duh! 🤔 And don’t think I’m not paying attention to all the stalking, roberttdid, roberttcan, atdavid, whoever you are. |
Amazing, you can take something that probably cost pennies in other industries (like impregnation varnishes and coatings for magnetics), put an audiophile sticker on it, and charge 10-100X. Love it! Sorry if I already posted this link to the audiophile C37 lacquer from Germany, |
Sorry geoffkait, but this is old news, very old news. https://www.britannica.com/science/Bose-Einstein-condensate Still it's good to see Bose still relevant in cutting edge technology. |
Sorry if I already posted this link to the audiophile C37 lacquer from Germany, http://www.asi-tek.com/C37.html |
This just in! Fifth state of matter created on Space Station! Of course, the obvious question, at least for your humble narrator, is what can it do for audiophiles? Answer at 11. "This actually is something I've been trying to do for about 23 years now," Robert Thompson, from the California Institute of Technology, told Newsweek in an email. https://apple.news/AXioUGvq6SfW3OVwCnrH8zw |
@tatyana:'Some years ago I read a number of articles that different varnishes can affect sound, so maybe not too far fetched' I understand that both the wood grain and the lacquers on a Stradivarius or Guarneri violin are a significant part of the sound, understandable when the whole body resonates with the strings. For a speaker, with inert cabinets (at least by intent) not so much! |
Why? Was Goethe an audiophile? I hate to brag but chances are good that I know more about color and sound than was dreamed of in Goethe’s lifetime.Dont be offended so easily.... My post had nothing to do with you ….And Citation from a past genius dont remove anything from any actual one....And there is more about colors than the facts you brag about.... :) Some Goethean clue: colors are "lived" phenomena.... Not measured facts only.....Same thing for sounds.... |
If Sony says it I would tend to believe it’s probably true. Both my Sony MDR-V700 headphones and Sony WM D3 portable cassette player are extremely revealing. I suspect I could distinguish pure water from Mississippi river water instantly, no problem. Maybe if you candled 🕯 your ears you could hear it too. |
My remark was not there to insult you in any way....I dont have scientific background, and I have experience for myself with homemade experiments in a continuous way for the last 2 years, many amazing phenomena without any possible measurements yet... I dont claim anything except the right to create homemade amazing low cost tweaks controls for the mechanical, electrical, and acoustical embeddings of any audio system... I create my own Hi-Fi for under 500 bucks that gives me a sound near the best there is....All that by my own experiments …. I am only interested by facts for my own ears... Many of my homemade tweaks will wait a longtime for an explanation especially for the " scientist" audiophile....The last one is totally crazy, but work.... :) If your hobby is to wait for "justification" coming from "audiophiles", mine is to create without money the best Hi-Fi there is, almost free, by only homemade methods controls....And I have it.....Call me a crazy audiophile.... :) |
The smiley face doesn't make your post any more viable or correct. A speaker just sitting there, unconnected, does not create "sound" of any appreciable level, and I have a feeling it would be almost impossible to detect short of being in super quiet anechoic chamber. It won't say no sound, because anything above absolute 0 must "radiate", and the resistance of the voice coils will have thermal noise .... and that is just ridiculously pedantic. If you want to be ridiculously pedantic, a glossy finish would reflect as opposed to absorb ambient "noise" and hence in a real world situation, a gloss finish is likely to result in worse signal to noise. What's that saying, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence? Accepting it as true without being critical just encourages bad behavior. I mean really, look at the people in this thread jumping through hoops trying to justify their statement as correct as opposed to saying, where is your proof, evidence, or even justification. Frankly that is silly. This isn't about feelings, this is about the physical world. |
Noise is the time varying quiescent output in the absence of an input signal and/or independent of the input signal. In speakers, noise, by definition, is essentially 0, unless you are claiming it is picking up seismic vibrations from the floor and re-radiating them, on which I will call them out, because the floors and walls will be a far more effective radiator for that, and because that is an external stimulus, so would be akin to showing a frequency response with a truck driving by. If they want to claim it improves THD, or IMD, then that is within the realm of believable as those are signal dependent properties. Given the ridiculous claims that audiophiles accept without calling suppliers out on, is it any surprise that some marketer for a main stream brand would do the same .... without any justification or measurement to support it? |
I have used varnish on black colored tweaks for the past decade. Different colors give a different sound signature. The neutral colors are white or black. White has an open and transparent sound while black has a blacker background, but also dark, muddy and veiled sound. By using varnish on top of black paint you compensate for the veiled sound and add clarity. This gives good balanced sound. |