What are we objectivists missing?
I have been following (with much amusement) various threads about cables and tweaks where some claim "game changing improvements" and other claim "no difference". My take is that if you can hear a difference, there must be some difference. If a device or cable or whatever measures exactly the same it should sound exactly the same. So what are your opinions on what those differences might be and what are we NOT measuring that would define those differences?
@jtucker
Exactly. Our hearing acuity is much more complex than current science can define. Not just cables but components as well. Great measurements can only get you so far, then the rest is an art of trying different things to improve the sonics. If we can measure what good sonics sound like, we’d have fatter bank accounts. |
+1 @henry53 for: "Trying to be completely objective about something that is essentially subjective is not scientific." |
"I figure subjectivists are like religious people and objectivists are the scientists. There is no proof that a new cable, silver fuse, etc improves the sound, but they believe it does As @djones51 said, until you take vision out of any audio testing, there's going to be bias." mrskeptic, you are assuming objectivists are scientists. Bad assumption. Both are subjectivists. What is subjective about science? Too much blind faith in current knowledge. In audio, that is that the equations are good enough to measure everything, and if it can be measured by current knowledge, then it cannot exist. Real world, unrelated example that I've brought up before. Kepler's laws of planetary motion could predict the motion of all the planets--except Mercury. Why? The mass of the Sun is so great in comparison to mercury that you need to make relativistic corrections (ie Einstein's general relativity theory) to get accurate predictions for mercury. Newton's theories work fine for the other planets, and Kepler used Newton's work to predict planetary motion of most planets. The point? Blind faith in science is a form of religion. If Newton's equations (via Kepler in this case) can be limited to specific parameters, then show me the person smarter than Newton that has all the answers. If anyone thinks that science is some objective monolith without emotional decision making, then they are showing the same blind faith that people today think is reserved for religion. You can hear things that the physics of sound does not model. And with current knowledge, cannot model. |
