Who has Luv for the Lyngdorf 2170 and is thinking about the 3400.

@corelli

I am currently using a Simaudio Transport with the Lyngdorf and enjoy it quite a bit. I use S/PDIF out from transport to a reclocker to the S/PDIF input on the Lyngdorf. The Empirical Audio Synchro Mesh reclocker is a very nice addition. Made digital less digital sounding.

I had the Primaluna Dialogue Premium. I enjoyed the PL, but find the Lyngdorf to be more refined top to bottom. I hated the volume control of the PL. The 2170 volume is really amazing. I can fine tune volume perfectly. Plus the added room correction put it over the top.

I use an Oppo BDP-95 for cd when I bother and tbh the SPDIF digital connection through the 2170 gave quite a bit better results than even the xlr inputs.
I do have an Oppo UDP-205 on its way so will have to see which rules on that combo but I think you will be very happy with the digital connection, the 2170 has one of the most natural sounding digital processing I have yet heard.

Isn’t redboob the result of a titty twister?😀

I would say so.

@mofojo 

Nice catch, my fingers type what they want to type..

Redboob(k) aside, thanks for the feedback from those using the 2170 with this configuration. 

Kalali,
You bring up a very good question and valid concern.

My quick answer,without writing a novel,would be to bring one in and try for yourself.That’s the only true way for you to find out.

You May Just Luv it or not.
Kenny.

Just got confirmation that my 2170 will ship from Denmark on Monday. That puts it in my hands maybe late next week. Waiting sucks! Will be out of town next weekend which also sucks. 

corelli
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I wish I loved computer based audio but for multiple reasons I don’t. I like my CD’s. Just received a box set of 60 Vivarte CD’s and lovin’ it! All this for $1.50 a CD. It’s a great time to load up. But I know in time I will need to get on board. (see oppo thread)

So here’s what I’m thinking. I love the ability the 2170 has to high pass my Double Impacts. Possibly cleaner sound with less of a demand on both the speakers and the 2170’s amp while affording a clean transition to my duel subs (all set up as suggested by Lyngdorf). To spin my discs I am looking at a transport. I would probably go with the base 2170. (Wish Lyngdorf/dealers would facilitate allowing the end user to add boards.)

With the standard digital inputs on the 2170, what type of connection would you guys suggest? Do you think a Cambridge cxc transport would significantly limit the potential of the 2170?

Corelli,
You do know that you could rip all of your CDs into JRiver Media Center running on your PC .You can rip them in .wav format which would be Bitperfect. You get a Fantastic interface ,a Digital EQ, awesome graphics for your album, songs , etc to display on a TV., and you can send it out to the 2170 for the Digital to Analog Conversion, all the while using the "Awesome" RoomPerfect to high pass to your speakers and adjust to your room, giving you the "Best" sound you can get.

grey9hound, I do appreciate your words of encouragement.  I recognize their are advantages as you have noted.  I guess in the end I favor a simple and reliable approach that uses equipment with a very high performance/price ratio.  Hence, my interest in the 2170.  An elegant piece of gear to be sure.

The thought of ripping all those CD's--wished it excited me.  And then there were all those pictures of my Italy trip that were lost due to a computer mishap.  Arrrrrrrrgh!

So for right now I'm a happy dinosaur with my shiny discs. I can carefully hold them.  They are very tangible.

 But things may well change in time.

Its called backblaze.
Its $5 per month.Well worth it .
I have over 20k songs 90% are in .wav format . JRiver will even upsample to DSD on playback,if the 2170 will take it .
The initial ripping is the hardest part .They mostly pretty much tag themselves about 90 plus percent of mine didas long as you are connected to the internet . .Once this is all done you have so much more at your fingertips. Sorting , making playlists giving them a rating from 1-5 stars , Categories or Genres,The Smartlists , Car Radio type of buttons that you can set. .ETC It does take a little time to learn but , no streaming issues..etc.You can go wired or wireless.
The system with automatically categorize most by Genre ,Artist and Album.Once it is done , you can do some creative things.
I was like you until I finally bit the bullet .It took me about 2 weeks every evening and weekend to get mine all labeled Album covered and tagged (it finds most all of this automatically 90 % of the time ) .Plus with your PC hooked up to your TV you now have a Media Server , Internet Browser .etc Youtube and all the like .
I encourage everyone to do this . I have helped several people that live in my area get started... even one who was pretty computer illiterate . Now after about 6 months of use , they all say that they cannot live without it and are glad they took the time to do it. :).It is well worth the Time ,Effort , Pain and Suffering .
Sorry, I will now shut up about it.

" Sorry, I will now shut up about it. "

Please don't grey9hound!  I appreciate your encouragement.  You have inspired me to educate myself on what's out there.  So as to not get off topic, I think this would be a nice topic for a new thread.

@kdude66 Can you kindly share how you were able to get Lyngdorf play DSD 512? I still can't wrap my mind about this. Are you able to view the DSD 512 bit rate on the 2170 display? I can only see up to DSD 128 on my 2170 display on I click "info" on the remote and no sound plays if I upsample further. What ASIO are you using that allows you to do that?

This is very odd to be honest. Does it require a new firmware update to enable this? Given 2170 doesn't use FPGA, are they using a new chip that supports DSD 512? It's such a big feature that I would expect Lyngdorf to announce it publicly. 

radiohead99,

I haven’t got around to experimenting around with my system enough to give you a clear cut answer.

I’m not viewing anything other than dsd 128on the 2170’s screen but with my most powerful pc using Roon and HQ player and upsampling pcm or Dsd 64 to either Dsd 256 or 512 the path in Roon clearly shows these.

My newest and best sounding pc doesn’t have the horsepower to upsample beyond Dsd 128.

Now As I have stated before I greatly prefer all upsampling to be pcm 32/384, this gives me the best sound overall.

Dsd to my ears is just too smooth and I loose some snap,pop and realness,Just my opinion.

My pc uses windows server 2016,Roon Server,HQ player,Audiophile Optomizer,Fidelizer and nothing else.

I use a Ethernet cable coming from my Audiovox switch into a SOtM ultra 200 USB renderer and a USB cable from SOtM to the 2170.

I don’t use Asio,I take advantage of the simple Kernel Streaming.

I don’t have all the answers that may help you,I’m still learning all this high tech stuff myself,I was a old Analog guy for many yrs until about 6 months ago,in the meantime I have sold everything Analog related including large record collection.Yes my digital is that good.

If I discover anything else I will let you know,
Kenny.

Came home from lunch and 2170 on the front porch! Damn wish I could blow off 2nd half or the workday😬

mofojo,

Awesome 2170 almost in your system.

Enjoy,
Kenny.

@mofojo 

Very exciting!  Looking forward to your thoughts once you've had time to setup/listen.

So yes I agreee the manual kinda sucks. So far sounds very listenable. More to come. 
Does the RP set sub and main crossover levels? I tried it and have way too much bass out of the sub. 

@mofojo 

I set the crossover first, then run room perfect.

Seems to be the best way.

Yeah I just saw how to do that. Where can u see the amount of room correction it is applying? 

@mofojo 

Menu - setup- room perfect - status

mofojo,
Find your way to the rp Status screen.You should see a room knowledge % number of mic positions and also rp correction %.

Kenny.

mofojo

It is great right out of the box
But wait until you have a few hours on it, it just keeps on digging!

I ran room perfect again last night after adjusting sub and mains crossovers to 45hz. I’ll hold my enthusiasm until I get some more days with it but for now I’ll just say “Wow”! 

Oh yes additional burn in time will have you dancing with joy! 

What kind of correction percentages are you guys getting? I am running 97% room knowledge and 20% correction. Is that in the ballpark with what others are seeing? 

No ballpark figures really IMHO. Different speakers and rooms with have different %’s.
In the same room I had 1 speaker that got 9% correction and the other was about 18%.

I only ran it once
First time out 99% and 32%

98% knowledge and 14% correction. I do think it is important to dial in your speaker’s placement without running RP and then after some time dialing that in....run RP.

I’ve done quite a bit of experimentation with things upstream of the 2170. As posted earlier I trialed the 2170 against other amps like the Odyssey Kismet/Candella and the LTA MZ2/ZOTL10 mkII and was surprised when the 2170 was the choice. Kenny, in fact, was the first one to recommend I try the 2170 with grannyring close behind. Thanks! And just FYI I have Tekton Ulfberht speakers with 15 of tweeters. Not a typo there. 15, really. So my system is very sensitive to high end. And ultimately that’s where the major delta in the components sound was found. Not totally, but it was easy to pick-out the high end clarity and analog/realistic sound. So...

My "upstream of the 2170" trial included the following combinations. // means those items were swapped in the data stream. I also used a SOtM sps500 to power any end-points that would accept that power input. I also experimented with batteries and iFI wall power supplies.

USB Stream: Window PC Music Server with AO optimization (Roon and JRiver) + SOtM txUSBexp PCI card + Uptone ISO Regen // iFI Micro iUSB3.0 // Mutec MC3+

Ethernet Stream Small Green Computer I7 Sonic Transporter in bridged mode (Roon) + SOtM Cat 7 cable + SOtM sms200 Ultra // UltraRendu

Kenny and others have had great results with the sms200 Ultra. Kenny with the SGC I7 Sonic Transport and the SOtM sms200ultra upgraded. Bill with an optomized PC / sms200ultra. So I fully expected the 200ultra to be the hands-down winner.
The AO folks swear by the Mutec attached to a PC optimized with that AO software. I thought going in that could be a possibility too. I threw the iFI Micro 3 and the ISO Regen in just to see how far behind the expensive ethernet solutions they would be and to experiment with a USB-Only stream.

Just a note. ALL of the components tested are excellent products. ALL of the suppliers were awesome to work with and allowed me no-hassle trials. I took all of their recommendations for the trial components that I tested and set-up to give them the best shot. So, I do NOT contend you will love what I love. All this stuff really-really sounds great. Listen and decide what YOU like. And I am not the level of Audiophile Kenny and most of you other Audiogonners are. This is just me relating my experience FWIW.

So, I conducted suitable burn-in and several days of listening with four different people in independent A/B testing. This included my normal test team of my very particular, calibrated-eared wife, my very music-oriented daughter and her husband (I wanted another "guy" opinion this time).

The answer? We all thought the PC + USBexp + iFI Micro iUSB3.0 was the best combination. No laughter please. I know, I know, how could that be? And I don’t get it either, but it’s true. I was in denial for a while and kept experimenting to try to push the results toward the "cool" hardware, but the more I live with it, the more I love it. The USBexp sounds pretty good by itself. Perhaps second place in the stand-alone testing, but only adds minor detail to the stream when inserted in front of the iFI Micro 3.0. The iFI Micro seems to facilitate the majority of the improved sound. The iFI wins the stand-alone contest but feeding it with the SOtM USBexp is a worthwhile, improvement. I do intend to add the clock option to the USBexp just to see if there is more to gain. I also intended to add an HDPlex LPS to the PC. But the iFI is the main-man right now.

Well there ya go. I feel like I need to go on a 12-step program after admitting these results on Agon. "My name is Bob and I am an iFI user". :-) But I thought I’d at least offer my opinion/results for others to consider.

I’ve used my 2170 in 8 completely different systems not belonging to me and with 98% room knowledge I’ve seen rp correction from 
9% to 48%.

In my present system with the double bass speakers I have 12%.

There’s no magic # and after you get more time on your unit you may want to experiment with some different mic positions and crossover settings or not.

I also demand that you keep us updated because of all the questions that I answered for you,mofojo.🤪.

I’m really glad you are digging it,
Kenny.

Question: 
@kdude66 
@grannyring 

When you set the volume for your Room Perfect reading. Do you use "suggested" or "current"? My thinking is you would use the "current" because that might be your average preferred volume level. If the "suggested" volume was selected its possible your reading might be different compared to "preferred". Have you experimented with that at all?

I know that I listen between 40 and 29. So I usually pick default 35 volume level.

Great post @bullitt5094!  Our digital front end is so important. I applaud you for all the work and time you gave this test.  Wow!   I learned a great deal from Kenny and through reading. I will add these points. My front end is much like yours it seems.  I also use Roon. 

- you really need to add both the Audiophile Optimizer and Fidelizer if using a computer server. I cannot overstate the Sonic importance.

- my computer uses a Nice SOTM USB card - SOtM txUSBExp - that I power with a nice linear power supply. Do not let that card be powered by the computer! A quality linear power supply is a must. Huge SQ improvement.

- I use the IFi Micro USB 3 and it is my digital MVP tweak! This must also be powered by a nice LPS. Very, very important. Your DC cable quality is also very important folks. Make one using Canare Quad Core cable and Oyaide DC connector.

- get a great sounding USB cable. The Phasure LUSH or the one I make. Yes I can make you one. Kenny is now testing it.

The front end is the MOST important way to get the most out of your 2170.

I use current and usually turn it up quite a bit.

Bullitt5094,
My name is Kenny and I haven’t used the I7 in quite a few months,in fact I sold it about 5wks ago,I probably overwhelmed you with my jabbering.

Anyway It’s all about the sound and whatever works the best for you,and I’m damn proud of you for trying different stuff,that’s the only way to know for sure.

IfI the winner,That’s odd to me,but I still respect your decision regardless.

Happy Listening,
Kenny.

Aniwolfe,
I usually use default or 30 and I have experimented higher too,
I don’t think it really matters as long as you are close.

Somebody else may have a different take then me though and I always try to be as open minded as possible.

Kenny.

Well Kenny you know I love my Ifi Micro 3  USB also 😉.   See my above post.  You have been a great help to me! 

2170 seems to suggest something like 18 which is really loud.

I’ve tried 3 different speakers with 2170, all in the same room (4th pair testing tomorrow). I’ve been doing between 4-7 mic placements to get 100% room knowledge, and 9%-18% room correction.

I completely agree to set up your speakers to the best of your ability before running RP. Less the 2170 has to correct the better, IMHO.

I did try placing all speakers that i’ve used very close to the back wall, and noticed that’s when I get in the higher room correction %. So now I’ve been giving each speaker at least 2 feet of room from the rear wall, and a little more if they’re rear ported.

I don’t believe there’s an absolute correct way, but I do know that it’s awfully fun having different options/results.

Most importantly, don’t forget to enjoy the 2170 & the music!

I was using the suggested 15 for volume on the RP setup. Yes it was damn loud. 

Kenny, did I get you name wrong somewhere? If so, sorry... Also didn't know you sold the Sonictransporter. You are certainly hard to keep up with! LOL
grannyring, I had no idea you were also using the iFI3.0. Maybe I'm not crazy. I am using the same SOtM txUSBexp card you are too, apparently. I'm actually powering my USBexp with an iFI wall wart. And I agree. The PS upgrade, even to just the iFI, did make a significant difference. More than the batteries I experimented with. I am waiting for HDPlex to release it's new LPS. I'll power the PC and then directly connect the USBexp external power to it.
As far as cables, I would love to give yours home-grown an audition when you're ready. Drop me an email with details when you can, please.

I may also want to talk to you about a motherboard modification to use one of SOtMs clocks to interface between the USBexp and the MB. I know you're really good at such projects. In your spare time go to this link and scroll down to "sCLK-EX142548+tX-USBexp+ PC mainboard installation guide" a few pages down. https://www.docs.sotm-audio.com/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=manuals:sclk-ex_operating_instructions_rev1....

I will tell you even a modest LPS from Teradak is a must on your usb card and Ifi Micro. The difference is not small, it is rather substantial. I compared to the Ifi power supply and it was not close. Teradak LPSs can be purchased for $120-$150. The sound is so much more relaxed, less glare and smooooth! 

Looks like their web site is incomprehensible as far as purchasing/pricing. Seems they have everything is on EBay though. What unit are you using for the iFI and the txUSBexp? Also, are you using one their PC Power supplies on your server? $120 - $150 and you love it... I'm in! That's pocket change around the HT lately.

One more question guys. Can I adjust the analog output level after running room perfect. The sub may be just a tad too high in output. MUCH tighter bass than I have ever had though. 

@bullitt5094.  

I will contact you.....

mofojo,
Yes,you can adjust the analog outputs after rp,as long as it’s not much,it shouldn’t effect rp at all.

If you think that it does you can always run rp again or you could use the “second set of speakers” and run rp and story the settings and compare.

You also can run different focus positions only and store them and than you can compare.

Very versatile all in one box unit.

Kenny.

Well got some more hours listening last night after after being powered up for 24 hours. When using focus and sitting in the sweet spot it sounds like I am listening to some high end headphones with serious bass kick. You can wick the volume up and there is no fatigue! Sounds like I added a turbo. Transients are so fast and impactful. Just jumps out of blackness. The voicing for me is perfect. It sure don’t sound class d. 
My wife came down into the pit to hear the new black box that she was not happy to see on the porch. She listened to 2 of our tester songs and her statement was “wow it’s perfect” “you’re gonna keep it right”. 
Thanks to all the guys that have talked with me and reccomended the 2170, especially Kenny for the reccomendation to his dealer who was great even though our transaction was over the phone. 

@mofojo 

Right on!  Just wait another week or two, and it will sound even better.

Enjoy

I think zero fatigue even with hours on end of listening is one of its class attributes.
When I am home I go through 6 to 8 hour sessions and never feel the need or desire to turn it off.
Enjoy

mofojo,
I’m so glad you finally get to try that new black box that as one guy told me it looks like a big clock radio.

It probably only will get even better with some hrs on it.

Enjoy my friend,
Kenny.