WHY DO SOME AUDIOPHILES TRY TO TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN OR CAN’T HEAR IN A SYSTEM?


I ask the question. Because I have had several discussions on Audiogon where certain posters will try to tell another person what they can or can’t hear in a system. Most of the time never hearing or having experiences either the piece of equipment, cables etc. It is usually against those that spend money on more expensive equipment and cabling. Why is this so prevalent.  

calvinj

@mrkrichman 

No two people see Color the same

Actually lots of people see color the same. 8% of males have a congenital color vision deficiency, but only 0.5% of females. Roughly 15% of the general population, regardless of gender have an acquired color vision deficiency, a cataract being one of those potential causes. So most of us actually see color pretty much the same.

What colors we like, or not, is a completely different thing.

How do you know what you know?  How do you know what you don't know?  Am I always right?  Now if I project the answers to these questions onto other people, then I can only conclude that they may or may not know what they are talking about.  It's not unreasonable to be skeptical about what some audiophiles claim.  We should be respectful, but that doesn't mean I think you're credible.

there seems to be this odd assumption among some that someone who values measurements somehow can’t appreciate music as well as a measurement skeptic.  but of course, that’s an obvious logical fallacy.that actually demonstrates its own form of demagogy, or discriminatory behavior.

By way of example, though he didn’t have formal training in math, Bach’s music is widely appreciated to reflect sophisticated mathematical concepts.  Mozart made notes containing mathematical equations in the margins of his compositions.

and, in another art form, let’s not forget that da vinci incorporated mathematical principles into his artistic creations; on the side, he proved the Pythagorean Theorem!

For each of these great artists, i think it’s hard to make a case that their appreciation of measurements diminished in any way the emotional depth of their artistic creations. Rather, i think it would be easier to say that their appreciation for measurements contributed to that depth.

Of course I can hear a gnat fart....more importantly, the dog or the cats...

Spouse can. too. 👍❤

Gives us someone else to blame it on..... 😏

@hilde45 how do you explain the grandmother that doesn't necessarily use science, only experience and intuition to cook a glorious tasting meal.

A recipe is a scientific thing and so is apprenticeship (in person with another person); so is daily trial and error. None of it is guesswork, which seems to be what you're suggesting the grandmother does. Just because there aren't formal measurements or numbers doesn't mean there isn't systematic attention paid to quantities, ratios, timing, and technique. A lot of the audio suggestions flying around lack any of those things with any systematicity.

And finally, acoustics and hearing are fairly precise things. It's harder to get the image and tonality of a singer correct to the ear than make a lasagna taste decent.