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Reference DACS: An overall perspective

There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
teajay
teajay OP
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Branimir, you posting your systems have stimulated my curiosity in a few directions concerning the different sonic signatures of your two wonderful systems. So, here are my questions: 1) What are the similarities/differences in the overall sonic's of each system? 2) Do you find that certain types of music do better or are more enjoyable on one system or the other? 3) What would you consider are the major strengths of each system? 4) If you had to decide to live with only one or the other system which one would you chose and why? 5) Do you find that your own inner mood/being sometimes leads you to one system or the other? I'm fascinated with what your answers will be, must of us music lovers do not have two world class systems in our homes to chose from. Secondly, I'm assuming they offer a qualitively different musical experience, not which is right or wrong, but different, so personnal taste overlaps with the experience of each system. I'll thank you in advance for your response. It should be very interesting, indeed!
branimir
236 posts
 
This evening my dealer has 'Digital Day', there will be a comparison between dCS Elgar Plus/Verona/Verdi Encore(new version)-EMMLabs DCC2/CDSD-Esoteric D-01/P-01/G-0s and Weiss Medea/Jason. Rest of the system is W/P7 and Pass X350.5/X0.2 combo with all Shunyata wires. I will report results tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving to all people from USA.
branimir
236 posts
 
Teajay, when I choose gear for my two systems primal goal was to create two excellent but, different sounding systems. No.1 system is simply breathtaking sounding, it is illuminating(not bright!) with best extension is bass and treble that I ever heard. Soundstage is biggest that I heard so far with excellent focus and detail(for the first time I have a feeling that I am in the Jazz club listening to Coltrane live!). Music has holographic presentation, without any sign of grain! It is almost sweet sounding but, with huge drama. Also, it has the best 'silence' behinde the soundstage. Microdynamics are amazing as are macrodynamics. PRAT are in the league of their own...
No.2 System is more easier on ears(legato) sounding. Warmer balanced with more midrange presence(but, this is a pleasing coloration-I am aware of that!) and not so much bass extension or tightness. PRAT is very good , rather than excellent and details are not presented in that surgical precision...
Both systems are eqally excellent with music types that I use to listen-classic,jazz and rock. No.1 system is definitely bringing me closer to live music! On the other hand No.2 system is probably more enjoyable on long listening sessions(but, live concerts last only few hours tops, so...). If I had to choose only one between these two? No.1 without any question but, I am very lucky that I do not have to do that!
My inner mood is almost allways leading me to one system or the other.
'Soultrane' is breathtaking on both of my systems and better then anywhere else I heard it(except those lucky one who were able to enjoy John live!)!
More info with pictures on my system thread in few months...
rmaurin
74 posts
 
Is anyone using the mbl 1621 transport? Curious what DAC they are using and if this match is #1 or #2.

Thanks
Rich
exlibris
438 posts
 
Teajay,
I'll start by saying that the Absolute speaker wires made a much bigger difference in my system compared with the ICs. The difference between the Absolute speaker wire and the rest of the speaker wires in the AZ line-up is huge.
The ICs:
I started out with Cardas Golden Reference and then went to the AZ Silver Ref II. I found them to be more open and airy with a better sense of space and life. Things were, however, a little 'tipped up' and aggressive for my liking. I then tried out the Absolute and it was better in every sense when compared to the Silver Ref IIs. Everything just appeared to be 'more real'. The cable didn't seem to add anything or highlight anything. Images had more weight and density the air between them was well drawn. I was hesitant to spend 2.5 times more for the Absolutes so I decided to try the PAD Venustas. It provided a very 'substantive' soundstage; like the Cardas but more open and more delineated. No matter how much I liked it, however, it just didn't seem to get across the emotion in singers' voices the way the Silver Refs did. In the end I bought the Absolutes because they simply bettered all the other cables in every respect. Unlike the speaker cables, however, the difference was not 'night and day'.
My gut feeling is that I won't find speaker cables in this price range that I like better than the Absolutes but that there *may* be ICs around that offer better value than the Absolute. Having said this, I too have yet to discover any major (or minor) short-comings that concern me.
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