What effects soundstage more ....


I have recently auditioned two sets of separates Pass x2.5/x250 and a Plinius CDLAD mkII/SA102. The speakers I have are on the revealing side, Angstrom Obbligato's. The differences between these two set ups was big. The Plinius set had a wonderful overall tone. The low frequencies sounded awesome, but they lacked some weight at low volumes. The Pass in contrast had weight at the low frequencies at low volumes and the soundstage grew in every direction. The drawback with the Pass was as the volume increased so did the "harshness" or attack. I want the soundstage and low volume "thump" of the pass with the better tone of the Plinius. Is there something that can do that? Would swapping the pre-amps help at all? What has the biggest effect on soundstage and tone ( amp or pre )? Any thoughts would be appreciated
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(Long) Judging from your post, it seems that there's more than one question: soundstage, tonality, low frequency reproduction...
You also mention two reputable amps -- so one obvious thing to do is switch pre-amps and listen for results. Or you could try a bigger Plinius... However, read the following if you can spare time.

Soundstaging is a systemic thing and is influenced by a number of variables (in no order):
*the original (i.e. the recording)
*the room and speaker placement within it (i.e. reflections can spoil precise imaging)
*mid-range & hi-frequency reproduction, from source &/or speakers &/or pre &/or amp -- even wires can introduce phase anomalies
*phase

OTOH, the perceived BASS reproduction is usually a matter of driving capability from the amp -- assuming there IS low-level signal and that signal reaches the amp and your speakers are capable of going low. Since you heard it with one combo, we'll assume that signal is there (you didn't hear "one-note" bass -- i.e. boominess??)

The tonality you refer to is usually a matter of "voicing" of the component(s) used. Your description of the Plinius sound tallies with many others', so no surprise there.

Your description of the Pass sound ("harshness"), however, may mean that there is a slight emphasis in the mid-range at around 3kHz & up, that's especially annoying to our ears.

Looking them up, I find the Obbligato have mid-range units covering a range from ~100Hz up to ~8kHz where a supertweet takes over. This sort of design tallies with your impression of "revealing" speakers -- i.e. there's no xover in the critical mid-range where our ears are VERY sensitive.

So, obviously the Pass combo excites these drivers more in that range than the Plinius.

Ultimately, and if you like the speakers, I would suggest you try the two amps in PASSIVE mode -- just to determine if differences are amp related. You'll need a volume pot value that can drive the amps (say 4x or more the input impedance of the amp). Good luck!
You could give Ernie at the Inner Ear Mag an e-mail. They reviewed the obbligato's some time ago. He could tell you what amps they tried them with. I do remember they loved this speaker. Good-luck...
What cabling (IC and S/C) were you using? I've found that to make quite a difference.
You might try a larger Pass amp. Soundtage tends to collapse and the sound becomes etched and strained as the amp runs out of gas.
Cpdunn99 I agree with you, cabling does make a differrence,
I both tried the Pass X250 and the Plinius, I own the
Plinius SA100 for 7 years now, This 2 amps, both have
Big soundstage,with the right cabling.The X250 likes
the Harmonic Tech, The Plinius likes the Tara lab master
gen,I auditioned them both with Art audio preamp,and
Adcom GFP 750.Interconnect I used the Silway and truthlink.
Good Luck.