The problem with the music


There are lots of people who frequent this site that have spent significant amounts of money to buy the gear that they use to reproduce their music. I would never suggest that you should not have done that, but I wonder if the music industry is not working against you, or at least, not with you.

For the most part studios are using expensive gear to record with, but is it really all that good? Do the people doing the recording have good systems that can reproduce soundstage, detail and all the other things that audiophiles desire, or do they even care about playback?

I know there are labels that are sympathetic to our obsessions, but does Sony/Columbia, Mercury, or RCA etc. give a rats #$%&@ about what we want?

Recordings (digital) have gotten a lot better since the garbage released in the mid 80's. Some of them are even listenable! BUT lots of people are spending lots of money to get great music when the studios don't seem that interested in doing good recordings. Mike Large, director of operations for Real Worl Studios said "The aim of the music is to connect with you on an emotional level; and I'd be prepared to bet that the system you have at home does that better than any of the systems we make records on."

Do recording engineers even care about relating the emotion of the music, or are they just concerned about the mechanics?

What do you think, and can/ should anything be done about it?
128x128nrchy
Nrchy,

Just typical audiophile crybaby BS in response to a criticism of your system. I thought being a biker you might have a little thicker skin. I think I tried to make it very clear that I wasn't attacking you or taking a cheap shot.

Yet instead of asking me why I would say what I said, you assume I've got something to sell or my opinion is related to a decision you didn't make that I would have, "buy my system its better." Well that wasn't my answer, infact I was going to engage in a process to help you figure something out that I already know.

There are many ways to solve your problem (better equipment clearly isn't one of them) but you have to make a decision about 2 things, Can you give up the best of what you have now to elevate the quality of a majority of recordings? and Can you define what is missing from so many recordings that it prompted you to make this post in the first place?

Lets fix this problem, I 'll see if i can't get someone who has given me a chance to do what seems to be the impossible around here...make most CD's sound very good on their system.

Now which has a better long term outcome?, having most of your CD's sound good? or continue bitching about the quality of CD's something you have no control over.

What's funny is most people just want to tell me i'm full of it and Mike Large's doom and gloom is acceptable "grumble, grumble". instead of having a curiosity about how I've been able to do it in my system and many others.

Have you seen my system? DIY speakers, Yamaha M35 amp, Cambridge DVD Player....hardly the kind of equipment you have and yet i'm very happy with cd quality.

PS: I'm listening to a compilation disc I got from Paste magazine with many low budget recordings on them and the sound is good and listenable. System (GO8, SCA2, SCM20A-2)
I am not a recording engineer so I am just going by what I have been told...but I thought that the root of the problem was the use of dozens of mics with mixdown happening months later in a studio perhaps in a different country. This is driven by the great cost of hiring an orchestra, and the need to keep sessions short. Going back to play it again because a mic was not perfectly positioned is a NO- NO. In this scheme it is the mixing engineer who really determines how the product sounds, as best he can with the tracks he has to work with. One recording of the Sant Saens Organ concerto was produced by recording the orchestra in one hall, and some time later the organist in another hall (wearing a headset). In this instance it worked quite well.

The Tacet and MDG discs that I recommend always give credits, along with the musicians, to the technical staff, (tonmeister) and usually list the equipment such as mics used. In the Apollo space program one important thing that was done to assure quality was very simpleĀ… having a label on every piece of equipment bearing the signatures of the people who assembled and tested the unit.

It is unfortunate that the number of recording labels that do strive for sonic quality are few, and the selection of music therefore limited.
I'm with slappy

pompous pompous pompous

ever heard the saying "all hat & no cattle"?
Hey Slappy-Send Cinematic your Radio Shack speakers you use to use!
What a 'rig'!
David99

Heh, i aint letting those babys go without some serioius cash involved. (laugh) Those babys got me through some tough times!

Cinematic, yer still just basically saying Nrchy doesent know what he is talking about, yer totally hijacking this thread and re directing it. This is not about Nrchy's system, this is about the quality of recordings that are being made. some are great, some arent.

Here is an idea, how about you go to a mechanic and ask about the merits of a particular motor oil, how about instead of answering he instead tells you your car sucks and you made a lousy choice of buying it, that your wheels brand is all wrong, the color is wrong, and your obviously ill informed since you diddnt buy the triple bladed windshield wipers.

You say it was not a cheap shot, i fail to see how.

Either way, who cares. Nrchy's virtual system is not exactly up to date ya know.

Im of a belief that good sound is pretty damn easy to get, then again, maybe im not spoiled to the point where i consider top-stellar-untouchable-uncompromised-performance "good"

Ive got a total of 3 systems, only one i have posted. Personally, i think they all sound great. They would probably make your golden ears bleed though. Too bad. I guess i consider it an advantage to be able to listen to music instead of criticizing the system, regardless to the quality of recording.

That is one thing i hope never changes.

I hope that did not come across as a crybaby, after seeing that devastating blow to Nrchy's ego you delivered i sure wouldnt want such a crippling insult directed my way.

Dont worry Nrchy, just take it one day at a time, eventually those emotional bruises will heal.

LOL

Mr. Singh,
New and Improved Slappy Outsourced from India.