Why "Cryo" anything?

Ejliu,

Jneutron didn't say what you allude to. You don't get it, or more likely are trying to deflect justified criticisms. The fact is, in most applications of metals undergoing cryo treatment there is NO heat treatment. Of course, I suppose that lower temperatures may be considered heat treatment in the negative sense. Still, with very little research you yourself can confirm that heat treating metals in the conventional sense is rarely practiced. Post your name, address and the school where you received your Masters degree in Material Science Engineering so we can verify it as I don't buy into the anecdotal evidence that you possess such.

I'll go to the effort to tell you about a cartridge, turntable and tonearm shootout I was invited to early this year. I live in Idaho and the event was hosted in Miami. Approximately ten people were in attendance. The host had arranged enough equipment where we could listen to identical cartridges on the same turntable for immediate comparison. We could also listen to identical cartridges on different tonearms. Further, we could listen to identical tonearm/cartridge combinations on different turntables. By my estimation we played with over $150,000 in analog gear. This isn't even taking into consideration the reference system that allowed us to hear the music. The host of this event? Cello.

I feel honored to have had the opportunity to be a part of something of this magnatude. I have absolutely no problem posting the usernames of all of the attendees as every one of them is a well respected member here at Audiogon and you can follow up with investigation to confirm it. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that Cello makes every effort to be as scientific as possible without the aid of public money to further real world gains in music reproduction. This event was obviously not inexpensive for the host. Cello speaks truthfully about whatever efforts he went to in regard to cryo being beneficial or not. To dismiss out of hand such extreme measures a guy like this goes to for the love of music is insulting to these seasoned ears.

Son, you're out of your element here. You posting this thread was a troll.

Lugnut...What's wrong with a "troll"? That's how a lot of discussion gets started. Look at how many postings this thread generated.

Eldartford,

As the poster child for the type of behavior I take issue with it doesn't surprise me that you ask this question. If you don't get it then there's no use trying to explain. You must be very lonely.

As with most things in life, perception is reality.

Ok. I am baited into posting with another answer. Since I started, I might as well finish it.

Cello,
I believe this is a "tech talk" forum. I thought this is the place to discuss about the science/technology behind the product. I was looking for a reasonable theory for an audiophile "fab". I purposely did not post the question in cable forum for that.

Whether I hear the difference in a "cryo" CD does not prove or disprove the possible theory.

Lugnut,
I received my MSE from Stanford University in 1996 and BS in electrical engineer and MSE double major from UC Davis in 1994. For the last 8 yrs, I have been working as a process engineer in a semiconductor capitol equipment company working on CVD product. So most people would say that I have a ok background in thermodynamic, electrical engineering principles, plasma physics, semiconductor physics, gas dynamic, metallurgy and associated process treatment.

I think that's enough background to post a likely theory and ask a question about "Cryo" treatment on audiophile product.

Having a shoot-out means very little to this discussion. There is nothing wrong with subjective listening test. I do all of my purchasing based on subjective listening test; however, it has very little to do with science.

Eric J Liu (feel free to look it up)