Jazz for aficionados
I remember a talk show program long ago where some caller said bird was over rated and given too much credit. He felt that Paul Desmond was a better alto player and deserved equal status.Now if he likes Desmond more that's perfectly fine and his opinion. To lmply that Desmond had the same stature,impact and contribution is insane! Regards, |
Jazzcourier, excellent post; thank you. I do take exception with your description of Art Pepper's influences. I hear more Lee Konitz in his playing than Parker. Rok and others, re Parker. I don't want to speak for Orpheus10, but I believe that what he meant, and I agree with, is the simple fact that Parker's influence was pervasive and almost impossible for players to avoid. No one, certainly not I, is saying that Bird had TOO MUCH influence; that would be a ridiculous comment. So lets not get on a tangent about this. Now, for the punch line of my post: Concerning Art Pepper's influences (surprise!), and his feelings about Bird in general (which supports what I believe Orpheus is saying), "straight from the horse's mouth": http://artpepper.bandcamp.com/track/interview-with-art-pepper |
Charles1dad: I was just about to post with the same point as you wrote about in your last post. There seems to be an AGENDA going on here to make all Jazz players equal. IOW, just as you pointed out in your post. Miles played Jazz trumpet, so did Chet Baker, so they are the same right? Wrong! Hell, I can play a trumpet! The so-called 'cool' thingy is the equal of be-bop!! Brubeck equal to Silver, Peterson, Powell COMBINED!! It goes on and on. When I said Jazz has to be defended, everyone said I was nuts. This is the type thing i meant. No one ever says Beethoven and Philip Glass are equal. But in Jazz, everyone and everything is fair game. Make them 'equal' today, and the 'best' tomorrow. But as we say in Texas, 'That Dog Won't Hunt' Cheers |
Frogman, it's delight to have you on this thread, not only are you a jazz aficionado, but you're a musician as well. Although I never thought about West Coast from a musical perspective (the softer tone) that's quite accurate. West coast jazz had a relatively short life span. Although the musicians lived on, West Coast was dead after 65, while the very same musicians evolved into other forms of jazz. The very best jazz from this genre would be in the 50's. This means that although you have the same West Coast musicians after the 50's, they may, or may not still be playing "West Coast" jazz. Enjoy the music. |
