I have never met a passive that I could live with. The sound always seems weak and uninspired.
Is my preamp useless?
I enjoy my current system, which is built around a BAT VK-52SE preamp. I listen mostly to digital, via a Bryston BDP-2 player into a PS Audio DSD. I also enjoy vinyl on my VPI Classic/Dynavector/Sutherland 20-20 combo. Like most of us, I’m usually on the upgrade path. For me, the next component to upgrade would be the BAT preamp from a 52SE to a 53SE. But something occurred to me. I don’t listen loud. The gain on my PSA DSD is set to less than 100 and the BAT preamp is usually set between -20 and -10. So if my volume control is never set in the + range, is my preamp doing ANYTHING other than attenuating the volume and serving as a multi-input switch? Is all that Super Tube, single gain stage, zero feedback, high energy storage circuitry a waste of money?
Don’t get me wrong. I am very pleased with the sounds I hear. But if my pre isn’t doing anything, then I’d be better off to sell it and get a very simple passive attenuator, wouldn’t I? If that’s the case, what brands and models should I listen to?
Thanks for any advice.
Don’t get me wrong. I am very pleased with the sounds I hear. But if my pre isn’t doing anything, then I’d be better off to sell it and get a very simple passive attenuator, wouldn’t I? If that’s the case, what brands and models should I listen to?
Thanks for any advice.
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As other have said Slanski62, use your PSA dac direct into your Cary mono's, it will be an eye/ear opener, and you may sell your preamp. As for your phono stage, it's a pity the PSA does not have analogue inputs to except the phono stage. So purchase this cheap $49 passive that gives you input switching as well for everything. Then you can still go direct into your amp with your dac when you want the very best from your digital source. http://schiit.com/products/sys Cheers George |
"The reason I do is because you usually have to buy a really good active preamp to get where it actually sounds as good, if not better, than a passive. Your preamp, in my opinion at least, is beyond that mark by a comfortable margin." I don't agree with this at all. I have owned two BAT preamps, and several more actives which were far better than them. A good passive has beat every one of them. I would be willing to bet that the VK-52 would not fare any better. Shakey |
As with anything audio, a LOT depends on personal taste and system compatibility, and therefore, comments about which types or models are good or not are just rough generalizations. I "tend" to prefer active tube units over the passives I have heard in my system and that of friends. I also like transformer coupling, which means that the linestage has a transformer at the output and the amp has a transformer at the input. But, I have heard, and liked transformer-based passives too (Silver Rock). These sound vibrant, lively and deliver the kind of "dense" or saturated sound that I like. I also got to hear the Placette passive linestage (conventional resistor) and the active linestage in my system and preferred the active (I bought the active). My system is not ideal for passives, because of the requirement for a long interconnect between the linestage and amp. In a friend's system, I heard a linestage built around a light dependent resistor passive. This was an ideal setup for a passive--short interconnects, low output impedance source and high input impedance amp. I liked the sound of the system, but, when we substituted a really nice tube linestage, the dynamics improved markedly. There were three listeners and we all agreed that the tube unit sounded better (including the owner of the custom-built passive unit). Apart from the sound, some passives present practicality issues that should at least be considered before going that route. Many, particularly of the transformer variety, have too few stepped levels so that it seems like the ideal volume is always somewhere in between steps. To me, the steps should never be greater than 2 db, and 1 db is better. Most do not allow for balance control and most are not remotely controllable (getting the right setting matters a lot to the sound and instantaneous comparison afforded by remote control is a requirement for that purpose). There is a form of transformer-based passive that I have only heard briefly that may be of interest. It is one based on an autoformer (kind of transformer). There is a remotely controllable version from Bent Audio that gets around all of the practical limitations of such units--it is remotely controllable, has 1 db steps over a 70 db range and it can control balance. I have not heard it, but, it is based on the autoformer designed by Dave Slagle so it should be pretty good. If you are not technically inclined, you will need someone to custom build a linestage around the module you can purchase. The Bent Audio unit can be found at: http://www.bentaudio.com/index2.html |
Preamp does more than control volume and source selection. A preamp is also the heart of a good system. It manages the interface between source and amp and interconnects. Even so, the preamp can be a trade-off if not wisely chosen. Without a preamp you may gain transparency and detail but you may lose body, drive and dynamics. |
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