Rock: well recorded bass...60s/70s

There is a really great clip on You Tube of Clapton talking about The Band and what he thought when he heard Music From Big Pink. That hearing resulted in Eric's disbanding (ha) Cream. It's funny, because when I finally got The Band (took about a year---I wasn't quite ready for them at the time of MFBP's release), I also lost interest in Cream and their ilk (long solos, lack of ensemble playing, mediocre songs, not much harmony singing). He went to Big Pink for a couple of weeks, waiting for them to ask him to join (?!), until finally realizing they didn't need him. No duh. "Badge" is the only Cream song I ever feel myself longing to hear.

Loomis, my questioning of Cream being considered Progressive was not in response to your post directly above mine (it hadn't "appeared" yet), but rather to Ghosthouse's above it.

I also don't consider Procol Harum Progressive, even with Matthew Fisher's Classical training. One great thing about a Group/Band being so good is that they create their own genre, of which they are the only member. They were, by the way, also really good live. The first three albums are great, but when Matthew left, guitarist Robin Trower kind of took over, turning them too bluesy for my liking. Having no blues influence was one of the things that had set PH apart from the other Brits of the late 60's/early 70's.

The MC5 never really took off on the West Coast for some reason (actually, they never took off anywhere!), but their influence was pretty big in the Punk Bands that followed them a few years later (The Ramones especially). I didn't take them seriously, thinking they were just the house band for the White Panther Party! Another Group that didn't translate to the counter-culture West was Iggy & The Stooges. I don't remember either of them playing in San Francisco or Los Angeles.

The Groovies really felt like fish out of water living in San Francisco (they had nothing in common with The Grateful Dead and the rest of the hippie bands, doing short, Pop songs with no improvisation. And, they wore suits!). They went East to play a lot, ending up in England with the great Dave Edmunds producing their classic Shake Some Action album, as Loomis said, an absolute masterpiece. It has a very odd sound, very thick and dark, sort of like what Daniel Lanois gave Dylan on the Time Out of Mind album. it didn't work (for me) with Dylan, but does on Shake Some Action.

ghost, i've previoulsy debated whether layla is overrated, but ultimately always came out on the side that says it's not. there is a bunch of filler--key to the highway and have you ever loved a woman are the sort of lethargic dross i think you're referring to, although they really nail nobody knows. mostly, though, the originals are transcendent--it's as if clapton, who ("badge" and "presence of the lord" aside)was never much of a songwriter, was momentarily infused with genius. as for the sound, it is sorta murky, but i couldn't conceive of it any other way. like you and whart suggest, it may be pressing-specific.
our quibble as to layla's merit notwithstanding, i do agree that nothing clapton did after 1970 is particularly lovable. his good stuff had a strong collaborator (jack bruce/duane/the bramletts); if you look at his stone classics, very few (presence, bell bottom blues) were solo compositions. as always, many may disagree.

Ghost- I checked this morning, my copy, early ATCO, was done at Presswell (PR) and has 'A' lacquers on all four sides of the deadwax. I don't know how I happened into this copy- it is one touted on the Hoffman board (which is a great resource if you dig into some of the older threads- there are some collectors there who have owned and compared multiple pressings and provide the minutiae). It's still not an "audiophile" record at that. I took a quick look on the intraweb. There is a play graded copy on eBay that was pressed at Monarch, an independent West Coast plant- I tend to like Monarch pressings, on this one the seller actually provides the deadwax/lacquer info, which shows as BB. Have no idea how this sounds- Sometimes the 'A' "B" etc don''t reflect sequence because different lacquers were used at the same time by different plants. The only way to know which is "better" is to listen to it and compare it to the 'A' or others. (Which I haven't done for this record; it isn't a great recording and i did not go beyond what I have; sometimes, I get the bug and will buy a bunch of pressings and compare them).
BDP- I like your depth of knowledge of the music itself.
Both, feel free to write to me via email if you want to talk. I'm not selling anything- just don't want to derail this thread.

Correction for Ghost; that eBay copy was not play graded but visually graded, and re-reading the listing not all sides have the same lacquers. so I'd keep looking.

Whart - Thanks. Might well send you and an email.

re Bdp - Very much agree with your assessment of (his?) music knowledge. Might not always like the tone! or agree with a given position but good insights for sure and points worth considering.

Loomis, as always - helpful and constructive. Loomis BTW - too funny your assessment of "Have You Ever Loved...". Back when Layla first came out, I heard that song on FM but didn't know who had done it. Remember going in to a record shop looking for the album on the strength of "Have You Ever....". Think I knew it was Clapton but didn't understand at the time about D&TD. For me, that was THE song from Layla. In matters of art, at least, no accounting for taste (my own, In this case). Good comments re Layla.

Read something good about a silver japanese CD version of Layla over on Hoffman. Might go digital, at least as a back up should vinyl not work out.

Thanks to all.