Rock: well recorded bass...60s/70s


whatz up with bass on most rock recordings? is it that hard to get a decent bass sound? must be...as most bass sounds are either a)muddy or b)razor thin...however the bass I found on Santana Abraxas is outstanding though...very dimensional...with a reach out and touch quality...any other recordings that might have this quality?
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Ghost- I checked this morning, my copy, early ATCO, was done at Presswell (PR) and has 'A' lacquers on all four sides of the deadwax. I don't know how I happened into this copy- it is one touted on the Hoffman board (which is a great resource if you dig into some of the older threads- there are some collectors there who have owned and compared multiple pressings and provide the minutiae). It's still not an "audiophile" record at that. I took a quick look on the intraweb. There is a play graded copy on eBay that was pressed at Monarch, an independent West Coast plant- I tend to like Monarch pressings, on this one the seller actually provides the deadwax/lacquer info, which shows as BB. Have no idea how this sounds- Sometimes the 'A' "B" etc don''t reflect sequence because different lacquers were used at the same time by different plants. The only way to know which is "better" is to listen to it and compare it to the 'A' or others. (Which I haven't done for this record; it isn't a great recording and i did not go beyond what I have; sometimes, I get the bug and will buy a bunch of pressings and compare them).
BDP- I like your depth of knowledge of the music itself.
Both, feel free to write to me via email if you want to talk. I'm not selling anything- just don't want to derail this thread.
Correction for Ghost; that eBay copy was not play graded but visually graded, and re-reading the listing not all sides have the same lacquers. so I'd keep looking.
Whart - Thanks. Might well send you and an email.

re Bdp - Very much agree with your assessment of (his?) music knowledge. Might not always like the tone! or agree with a given position but good insights for sure and points worth considering.

Loomis, as always - helpful and constructive. Loomis BTW - too funny your assessment of "Have You Ever Loved...". Back when Layla first came out, I heard that song on FM but didn't know who had done it. Remember going in to a record shop looking for the album on the strength of "Have You Ever....". Think I knew it was Clapton but didn't understand at the time about D&TD. For me, that was THE song from Layla. In matters of art, at least, no accounting for taste (my own, In this case). Good comments re Layla.

Read something good about a silver japanese CD version of Layla over on Hoffman. Might go digital, at least as a back up should vinyl not work out.

Thanks to all.
Raymond nailed it! As far as Yes goes... My college newspaper had a one word review of them in the 80s...No!
Sorry for my sometimes "tone", Ghosthouse. When I use a work like "stinks" to characterize the quality of, say, a Group/Band's playing, it is done in a very literal sense. In other words, it means they play poorly, objectively. That does not necessarily make their music worthless, it is said only to make a point such as, that to play like Cream, a Band's members MUST possess a certain degree of technical ability to make the music work. If a Band/Group plays within it's capability level, they won't "stink" at it.

I went to a Vintage Drum Show (I deal in them) at which Jeff Hamilton (Diana Krall's drummer) did a Q & A session. He talked about seeing the infamous first Ed Sullivan appearance of The Beatles, and laughing at Ringo's lack of technique. Though much younger than Ringo, Jeff had learned the drum rudiments (the equivalent of scales in tuned instruments), which Ringo's playing revealed he had not (he still hasn't. McCartney still doesn't read musical notation, requiring the services of a musician who does to notate his "Classical" compositions). I bristled when Jeff said it, but that may have been because of his smug tone.

I wonder if Jeff and Elvis Costello (Diana's husband) have talked about Ringo, whose playing Elvis loves. See, technically advanced players (Jazz being a music requiring the "chops" to perform well) consider drummers with that ability by definition "better" than those who without it. My question to Jeff, had I asked one, would have been: "Do you think The Beatles music would have been 'better' if they had a drummer with more technical ability than Ringo? Does that ability alone automatically guarantee that music created by such a musician will be superior to that of one possessing less of it? I'm sure his answer would have been a qualified yes.