Ohm Walsh Micro Talls: who's actually heard 'em?


Hi,

I'd love to hear the impressions of people who've actually spent some time with these speakers to share their sense of their plusses and minuses. Mapman here on Audiogon is a big fan, and has shared lots on them, but I'm wondering who else might be familiar with them.
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acurus - Thanks for the pics.  Most of us Ohm owners have never seen the drivers that give us so much pleasure.  I have to admit, the driver looks fairly conventional compared with the original Ohm Walsh drivers.  But who cares?  The end results speak for themselves.


I am curious about two things, though.  The rumors are that some of the x000 drivers, including the 2000, is an aluminum driver.  The only reason I'd want to know is because aluminum drivers have never been my cup of tea.  If the 2000 cone is indeed aluminum, it would be yet another feather in John Strohbeen's cap.  That he could get sound like that out of aluminum would be impressive.  Similarly, I'd love to see the tweeter, which, I believe, is a soft dome type.  Again, I am curious, as I prefer soft domes to metal domes, in general.

I use 3 12X12 sound panels on sidewalls at primary reflection points based on where I listen from most often. May try some on ceiling at some point but have not felt the need.

My advice with OHms specifically is treat only as needed. Start minimally and experiment from there. Primary reflection points on walls and ceiling based on your most common listening position are always the place to start to get maximum effect per panel.

I also have double sliding glass door with vertical blinds behind my big F5s. I listen with blinds both open and shut and does not matter much to me. YMMV.

With omnis, you want to use the room to best effect. With more directional speakers the tendency is to fight the room acoustics which often leads to extensive treatments.

A lot depends on the room, how lively it is in general and the details which contribute to that or not.

My assessment is that out of the box, teh OHMs are designed to fit into most typical modern drywalled/carpeted/finished rooms with minimal or even no treatments needed but its up to the individual to tweak from there if needed.

Room acoustics are always a factor, no matter what speakers but may play less of a role, either positive or negative, in general with more directional speakers like those with waveguides,, horns, more directional tweeters like ribbons, etc.
Not to rehash old news but a Walsh driver is a bending wave based driver (look up speaker types and bending wave speakers on Wiki)  .   Bending wave drivers was Lincoln Walsh's concept and innovation.   Ohm was teh company that produced the first commercial implementation of a very wide range Walsh driver.   It was bleeding edge sound wise but a fragile design that blew out not quite as often as a fuse perhaps if not very careful.  It turned out to not be commercially viable as a result.

John Strohbeen's later Walsh brand "CLS" driver solved tat problem but sacrificed the "Walsh" driver producing sound above 7khz or so to make the product more durable.   So it is based on Walsh's principles but a totally different design that is more commercially viable.

Waves bend essentially when passing through any medium with variable density.

Like Bond said, the unique technology is interesting but its the results that has spoken for itself now for over 30 years.

 


BTW I would say JS’s design decision to punt on the coherent source Walsh driver above 7khz or so was a sound one.

Just take a look at the Interactive Frequency Chart

http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

Some but not much happens above 7khz or so musically. That is not a bad tradeoff for a design that I have found to be most robust and durable as well as great sounding and practical for many.

Most conventional 2 way speakers have cross over much lower which if not done really well messes with the sound and coherency of a lot of elements of the music including vocals in particular.

Over the years I find I am seldom a fan of any but the best 3-way speaker designs out there when I hear them.  Its those darn multiple crossovers in  the business area of the music that is mostly the culprit I think.


Bondman, while one never seems to get really good details on the drivers even when talking to John himself, I think that at least with my early 2000 drivers, the main drive unit was an "aluminum coated" driver. So certainly a bit of difference from the typical aluminum formed drivers that you see in other speaker designs. Mine appeared to be an almost exact duplicate of one of Dayton's drivers at the time.

My tweeters were indeed a silk soft dome variety, very smooth, yet detailed. I could not see my 3000 series drivers, but believe they were similar to the 2000 units, but that has been awhile, when the "Thousand" series first came out, and we know John makes little updates and improvements along the way. 

Generally with regard to aluminum drivers, tweeters or otherwise, I find it isn't so much the driver itself, but the way it is implemented, the crossovers etc. that really matter to the "sound".