Jazz for aficionados

**** Frogman, that was interesting and educative post. Thanks. *****

Does that mean you like Nat Adderley more or less than you did before the "interesting and educational" post?.  Do your ears now bleed when you hear Wynton?  What impact does it have on your taste in Jazz?  

 Allow me:

It has no impact what so ever.  Music is an emotional thingy, just like all Art.   Critical analysis does not change how it affects a person, it's just nice to know information, good for academic study,  or conversation over drinks.  Nothing more.

Damn, you people are hard headed!!

Cheers

****Critical analysis does not change how it affects a person,****

Absolutely not true; and certainly not true for everyone.  Depends on the individual.  The important distinction is that some individuals have an innate aversion to critical analysis.  This fact in no way means that it is the case for everyone; and critical thinking and analysis can, in fact, have a profound impact on an individual's emotional reaction to art (and many other things).  Some individuals are fearful of and feel threatened by the idea that there are things that they don't know or understand, and feel comfort and security in the idea that what they do know and understand is the only thing of value; like the old folks in MS.

Of course that I like him just as same.
But, have you ever asked yourself, why do you like something?
I did, many times, for many different things and levels.
In fact, that is very important question everyone should ask himself.
More questions and answers, more self consciusness.
Music is not equal as 'all Art', but that could lead us to even bigger debate in trying to determine what art is. Still, could be interesting?
Music (or art) has only an emotional impact on you, but  not necessarily for somebody or everybody else.
Some things are perceptive thru mind or ratio only, but that does not stops us to appreciate them. Even more, when you first understand something, you may find the inner beauty of it, and than like it, like you did not before.
There are many examples for it, not just in Art.
I hope you would not get offended, but I expected more introspective thinking, because you seemed like a person with a big life expirience

On one of my earlier post the main point was, say you don't like a musical period, lets say fusion, and you don't learn the language, because why should you; You HATE fusion.  Years later you may miss out on a great guitarist like John Abercrombie, because the language sounds foreign, because he is rooted in the time you skipped, and all subsequent variations are also. 

First, the orignal music by Bass Desires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJV0IuwNi_4


Next, the same tune, obviously different because of Michael Brecker with Abercrombie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCgD8x2jiM

If Kenny Burrell or early Jim Hall are your reference, you may not get Abercrombie.

The only reason I keep mentioning this is , it seems at least to me , at the core of our continual, circular, fights. And why some people hate everything since Glen Miller.

 I know this sometimes limits me personally, when I listen and don't get what others are raving about. I remember playing Jack Dejohnette's "New Directions "  all night while I slept for about a week. I started to get what was going on slowly, but surely. 

Now, because I was so Anti Rap/Hiphop, I don't get some of the new Jazz music which is rooted in the language and rhythms of that period and I can only blame myself !!!

Win some, lose some!

Hope this makes some sense to someone.



Alex, Focus was great rock band, but my brain divides them differently. Maybe the bluegrass side of the Dreg's????? Maybe I need to listen again????

On second thought I can hear Jim Hall in Abercrombie, Scofield and Frisell.