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Used Audio Research Preamp Options

Before I pose my question, I do admit that I expect mixed responses since the question is somewhat subjective. That been said, I think I have pushed myself into an obsession to own an Audio Research preamp. I know there are better preamps out there for the money and I might ultimately overcome this obsession but I'd like to hear from folks who have owned different ARC preamp's over the years about their personal experiences. So here is my question: if you had $2500 to spend, which used ARC preamp would you buy? A line stage component would be fine, tube or SS. I'm also making an assumption which may not be completely valid and that is any of these preamps will be an upgrade from my NAD C165BEE. Any comments will be appreciated here too. My other components are McIntosh MC2200 (100K impedance) and a Vincent SP-331 ( 47K impedance,150w in 8 ohm/300w 4 ohm) amplifiers. Not sure if speakers matter- ML Aerius, Def. Tech. BP20 since I'm also looking for an upgrade route there too. Thanks.

kalali
erik_squires
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Hi Kalali,

To my ears with AR there's a real dividing line over the past 10 years or so and everything that came before. I find the modern AR sound, in SS or Tube, much more enjoyable, fun and natural. Of course, saying that immediately puts my life at risk from those early AR die hards.  The point is,  you should learn which AR sound you like first.

Before buying I'd also listen to PrimaLuna, Conrad Johns on and Cary.
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kalali OP
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I looked for the Vincent SA-T8 a little while back and it appears that it is no longer sold, at least here in US. The closest model I could find is a hybrid unit and the upgraded version sells for ~$1500. In general, I think their products are underrated based on my own personal experience with their amp which I bought new. As for ARC, I'll keep my eyes open for an LS25 MK2 or SP14, or stretch out for a Ref 2 MK2.

And thanks for the tip on Legacy speakers.
chrshanl37
841 posts
 
Vincent SA-T7 is available in the US and might be worth a look.

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jafant
20,658 posts
 
Excellent job by the panel, all strong suggestions. Perhaps a Ref3?
I will concur that the Ref5 SE, is the best at this juncture.
initforthemusic
282 posts
 
kalali,

That's a shame if the Vincent SA-T8 is now unavailable in the States. I havn't heard the SA-T7. Reading about it it's only Single Ended with a couple of digital inputs included. As it rained all day in Mebourne, I've just been playing around with some of my equipment, and confirmed what a truly great Pre the SA-T8 is. As good as the massively upgraded AR SP9 is (think the jump from Mk.11 to 111, and then the same jump again, to what I call Mk. 1V). It has beaten out some highly regarded Pre's. And the highly regarded "giant killer" Doge 8 (with upraded tubes), which is a nice Pre. I was enjoying both Pre's.  When I put the SA-T8 back in the system, I was almost speechless. It is in another stratosphere (better). I still have the stock tubes in!  With upgraded tubes and possibly a couple of tweaks, who knows what the Vincent is capable of?

Anyway good luck kalali, hope you find something really nice.
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