O-10, we will have to agree to disagree re Hermeto’s music and his genius; although some of it is clearly way out there.
I wish we could, somehow, put this objective/subjective business to rest; or, at least, try and bring some clarity to it.
I, nor anyone else here, has ever said "music is objective". The lack of clarity in this supposed premise is often used here (usually by you) as a bit of a red herring and to substitute for substantive commentary. I am well aware of your stance that "music is subjective". Now, think about this for a moment: just what does "music is subjective (or objective)" actually mean? It means nothing. What I have always said is that "music is not subjective, our reaction to it is". That is a very important distinction. Moreover, as far as objectivity goes, I have said that "there are aspects of music (and music making) that are objective". For example: out of tune is out of tune, bad rhythm is bad rhythm, etc.. Of course, if someone cannot discern those it does not mean it is not so. Finally, if someone happens to like music that has a poor level of craft (intonation, rhythm, etc.), that’s fine; but, this does not mean that another listemer who values a higher level of craft is not justified in deeming it poor music.
Regards.
I wish we could, somehow, put this objective/subjective business to rest; or, at least, try and bring some clarity to it.
I, nor anyone else here, has ever said "music is objective". The lack of clarity in this supposed premise is often used here (usually by you) as a bit of a red herring and to substitute for substantive commentary. I am well aware of your stance that "music is subjective". Now, think about this for a moment: just what does "music is subjective (or objective)" actually mean? It means nothing. What I have always said is that "music is not subjective, our reaction to it is". That is a very important distinction. Moreover, as far as objectivity goes, I have said that "there are aspects of music (and music making) that are objective". For example: out of tune is out of tune, bad rhythm is bad rhythm, etc.. Of course, if someone cannot discern those it does not mean it is not so. Finally, if someone happens to like music that has a poor level of craft (intonation, rhythm, etc.), that’s fine; but, this does not mean that another listemer who values a higher level of craft is not justified in deeming it poor music.
Regards.